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Gordon Terauchi Gordon Fujii Gordon Fujii Gordon Terauchi Gordon Terauchi Fujii Gordon Fujii Terauchi Okay, yes But this one is nozzle direction (Japanese) (garbled) we couldn't see this light this direction we could see big flame Maybe we're saying then if you're looking at the back of it and then when it turns sideways this doesn't show. Okay I understand. From the forward you could see the flame and the exhaust and flame were surrounding it. Okay So maybe ah, I - I think ah, um exhaust started (garbled) Being okay these things here, maybe being each one of these things here, so these were maybe stacked, in otherwards if you were looking at the top view down, you would just see one if you come around here you would see all of those lights. Okay yeah So if they moved up or I guess this ah exhaust moved to ah, this way down so finally five years ago I saw the rocket. that bright light he saw five years turned down you couldn't see them it moved over here some over here see them where it looked like it saying .. . Maybe that would account for ago. In otherwords if these and then when it looked like turned up and then you could moved over there? So you're Anyway ah (Japanese) right (Japanese) ... Talk tome... Could not see but only here and here .. . and this, here, dark area, I saw sparks, like fire. When using gasoline or carbon fuel. You can see a great big flame, but I could not see (flame) at all in this angle, although there was a big blast. Seems like it's really high technology because you can't see anything over here unless it's spinning rotation. Yeah, okay, yeah, somebody said sometimes the sparks kick over into that and you could see the exhaust, now with ah that in mind this other picture you have here, where would this be on this thing captain? What you're asking him where this (garbled)... Quite different, this is just small space ship, this one size of carrier, two times carrier so mothership, so ah after they flew with us three ah five minutes like home mission, then move to a mothership. So then I found mothership light, but this is not light, all engine, because ah we have contact seven or eight mile here, so we saw this first‘lights, so um after light contact ah they move behind so we saw this pairs of light, so we saw this light same size, this one, same size.