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Terauchi A no, seven, seven or eight miles. Gordon Okay seven or eight miles, that's what they were saying on the radar. Terauchi Yeah, this later, so we saw about seven or eight miles... Gordon Okay Terauchi And, 60 degrees left... Gordon Okay Terauchi So out in here small ship is disappear. Gordon Okay, I understand, now lets (unintelligible) what else, see if I forget anything, visual was a first, what, you showed me exactly what you saw. Visually sighting, you saw it first uh? Terauchi First Gordon Okay Fujii And (unintelligible) probably how long had you contacted the target. Gordon No that's what we were saying, five to six minutes before you called ATC. Terauchi Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Gordon Okay, did the other crew have trouble sighting the object? Fujii Did the rest of the crew see the lights? Terauchi (More Japanese) So I tried to fix it, but I ah, failed. Laughter Terauchi Just, shutter was open, did not close, so... Fujii Yes every crew has seen it. Gordon Okay all the crew members they did see it. Okay. Laughter... Yeah that's what I would do (more laughter) Fujii What type of onboard radar? Gordon Yeah, what type of radar was onboard, that ah ? Terauchi It was the kind, ditigal, but I don not know.