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Withdrawal/Redaction Sheet Clinton Library DOCUM ENT NO. SUBJECT/TITLE DATE ·RESTRICTION AND TYPE 001. email Scanner Results address [partial] phone number [partial] (2 pages) 511211997 P61b(6) 002. email Scanner Results address [partial] phone number [partial] (2 pages) 9/23/1997 P61b(6) COLLECTION: Clinton Presidential Records Automated Records Management System (Email) WHO (Roswell) OAiBox Number: 500000 FOLDER TITLE: [i21lIl1996 - 9/2311997] RESTRICTION CODES 2006-0476-F ds257 Presidential Records Act -(44 u.s.c. 2204(a») PI National Security Classified Information [(a)(\) of the PRA] "2 Relating to the appOintment to Federal office 1(a)(2) of the PRA[ P3 Release would violate a Federal statute (a)(3) of the PRAI P4 Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential commercial or financial information (a)(4) of the PRAI . P5 Release would disclose confidential advice between the President a~d his advisors, or between such advisors'la)(5} of the PRA] P6 Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy l(a)(6) of the PRA) . C. Closed in accordance with restrictions contained in donor's deed of gift. PRM. Personal record misrile defined in accordance with 44 U.s.c. 2201(3). RR. Document will be reviewed upon request. Freedom of Information Act -IS U.S.c. 5~2(b)1 b(l) National security classified info"rmation (b)(1) of the FOIAI b(2) Release would disclose internal personnel rules and practices of an agency (b)(2) of the FOIA] b(3) Release would violate a Federal statute (b)(3) of the FOIAI b(4) Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential or financial information (b)(4) of the FolAI b(6) Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy (b)(6) of the FOtAI b(7) Reiease would disclose information compiled for law enforcement purposes I(b)(7) of the FOtA) b(8) Release would disclose information concerning the regulation of financial institutions )(b)(8) of the FOtA] b(9) Release would disclose geological or geophysical information concerning wells (b)(9) ofthe FOIA] ARMS Email System Page lof 4 RECORD TYPE: PRESIDENTIAL (EXTERNAL MAIL) CREATOR: uucp@Whitehouse.GOV@INET@EOPMRx CREATION DATE/TIME: Il-DEC-1996 01:09:00.00 SUBJECT: scanner results TO: binns_m binns_m@Al@CD) (WHO) READ:II-DEC-1996 05:25:50.61 TO: horn s horn s@Al@CD READ:NOT READ , TEXT: SCANNER RESULTS When Dennis visited the base Military Police (MPs) escorted him off the base with the threat "You open your mouth and,you'll be so far back in the jug they'll have to shoot pinto beans [into you] with a bean shooter." Later that night Dennis met with a nurse from,the base. She described the bodies she had worked on. "Their noses didn't protrude, the eyes were set pretty MESSAGE BODY From wgreene@TAEX-AnSci.tamu.edu Wed Dec 11 01: 06: 13 1996 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by WhiteHouse.gov (8.7.1/uucp-relay) id BAA17122 for <President@WhiteHouse.GO Received: from storm.eop.gov/198.137.241.51 via smap Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by STORM.EOP.GOV (PMDF V5.0-7 #6879) id <01ICV601MAZK00281L@STORM.EOP.GOV> for President@WhiteHouse·.GOV; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 01:06:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from SCAN-DAEMON by STORM.EOP.GOV (PMDF V5.0-7 #6879) id <01ICV600XNNA0024S8@STORM.EOP.GOV> for president@Whitehouse.GOV; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 01:06:29 0700 (MST) Received: from mail.tamu.edu by STORM.EOP.GOV (PMDF V5.0-7 #6879) id <01ICV5XPR4VUOOICGB@STORM.EOP.GOV> for president@Whitehouse.GOV; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 01:05:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from celeste (ppp-0116.rns.tamu.edu [165.91.66.187]) by mail.tamu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.10) with SMTP id AAA18326 for <president@whitehouse.gov>; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 00:05:18 0600 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 00:04:35 -0600 From: Nick Greene <wgreene@TAEX-AnSci. tamu,. edu> Subject: X-Sender: wgreene@taexnutr.tamu.edu To: president@WhiteHouse.GOV Message-id: <1.5.4.32.19961211060435.0067a964@taexnutr.tamu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light version 1.5.4 (32) Content type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Comments: This message scanned by SCAN version 0.1 jms/960226 Following is information I have gathered. note that not all information has been deemed confirmed. What is th~ Whitehouse's view on the following information? Are We Alone Here?, A Look Into The Possibility of Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence Nicholas Greene 2 December 1996 Are We Alone Here? A Look Into The Possibility of Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence "The truth is out,there." This popular saying from the hit TV show "The X-Files" has inspired many to open their eyes to the strange world of ARMS Email,System Page 1 of 4 ARMS Email System unexplained phenomenon. One of the most intriguing of the phenomenon is the possibility of extra-terrestrial intelligence, and the question of have they visited our planet. There is an abundance of evidence to support the concept that outside intelligence has visited the Earth. This evidence ranges from numerous sightings to accounts of alien abduction to evidence'of 90vernment coverup's of encounters. The exploration of these accounts is an important step toward allowing everyone the chance to make a more educated choice when taking a position on this issue. It is important to realize that most people who make "sightings" are usually normal people, riot drunks, or the hopelessly insane. This topic, once one of extreme speCUlation has now begun to gather an immense amount of information under the study of UFOlogy: To tackle the problem, "have we been visited by extra­ terrestrials" an extensive amount of the resources resides in interviews wi th people of first hand account's of encounters, while some resides in .official documents or newspaper articles. One of the nl'ost popular "contact experiences," occurred on July 2,' 1947 just outside of Roswell New Mexico. This account contai~s some of the most conclusive evidence to date concerning extra-terrestrials (ETs.) During a severe thunderstorm on July 2, 1947 something crashed just outside of Roswell New Mexico. On the following day William "Mac" Brazel, foreman of the Foster Ranch, found the wreckage and returned with samples to a neighbor's house. It was agreed that the wreckage was unlike anything they had seen before. On July 6, Brazel presented wreckage to the Chaves County Sheriff, George wilcox, who called the Roswell Air Force Base and presented the find to Major Jesse Marcel, intelligence officer. Marcel subsequently reported the information to his superior, Colonel William "Butch" Blanchard who ordered the investiga'tion of the site by his officers. At this point the events surrounding the incident began to spiral out of control with lies, bribes, government/military coverups .. Some of the most intriguing information describing the Roswell incident resides in interviews of the Personnel directly involved. The interviews can be divided into two groups, Ci~ilians and Military Personnel. Several civilians had contact either directly or though family members in the military to the. incident. The children of Mac Brazel, the locator of the wreckage, told of pieces of metal "You could wrinkle it and lay it .back down and. it immediately resumed its original shape .." They claimed their dad stated "the Army had once told him it was not anything made by us." Glenn Dennis, a mortician in Roswell in 1947 states that "on July 9 or 10, 1947, [he] got several phone calls. from the Roswell AAF mortuary officer . . . [for] bodies laid out in the middle of July, in the.middle of the prairie." When Dennis visited the base Military Police (MPs) escorted him off the base with the threat "You open your mouth and you'll be so far back in the jug they'll have to shoot pinto beans [into you] with a bean shooter." Later that night Dennis met with a nurse from the base. She described the bodies she had worked on. "Their noses didn't prqtrude, the eyes were set pretty deep, and the ears were just little indentations the upper arm was longer than the lower. They didn't have thumbs, they had four ... "tentacles."" Military officers have <:Ilso begun to come forward with strange stories about the incident at Roswell. Major Jesse Marcel, the first military officer on the scene, declares "It was quite obvious to me, familiar with air activities, that it was not a weather balloon, nor was it an airplane or a missile." Marcel also speaks of a metal with remarkably similar qualities to that possessed by the children of Mac Brazel. Second Lieutenant Walter Haut, a public information officer at Roswell AAF in 1947, explains that ."Colonel Blanchard ordered Haut to issue a,press release telling the country that the Army had found a flying saucer .... [he] took the release into town." Many other officers'witnessed the strange properties of the unidentified metal and some reported the existence of three to four strange bodies (Roswell). Several letters have surfaced from government record dealing with the Roswell incident. In 1995 a report sent to Congress states that regulations in 1947 required air accident reports to be made. The Navy reported no air accidents during July of 1947. In this letter it was also revealed that many records relating to Roswell 'had been destroyed (July 1995). On July 8, 1947, Roswell Daily Record released a press release informing that a flying saucer had been found in Roswell (July, 8). This article suggests nothing other than the wreckage was from a flying saucer. On July 9, 1947, a second article released still upheld the idea that the wreckage was a flying saucer (July, 9). An abundant amount of informatio~ has been published on the incident at Roswell. Most of the evidence on this incident I recovered pointed toward ARMS Email System Page 2 of4 Page 2 of4 ARMS Email System the crash of a ship not of Earthly orlgln. As this and more information becomes more publicly recognized it becomes hard to dispute'the possibility that weare not alone in the universe. The inconsistencies are too great in the reports of the military and government not to.ask what is being concealed. While Roswell is well known from such films as Roswell, Independence Day (ID4), and shows ,such as X-Files and Dark skies, there are many other extra-terrestrial encounters just as intriguing. One such set of cases deals with UFO sightings by Astronauts. Some of the United State's most famous astronauts have seen unexplainable objects during spaceflights. ' Major Gordon Cooper, one of the original Mercury Astronauts, and the last American to fly in space alone, reported a glpwing, greenish object quickly approaching the capsule. This object was soon picked up by Muchea tracking station's tracking radar. According' to a taped interview 'by J. L. Ferrando, Major Cooper said: "For many years I have lived with a secret. In a secrecy imposed on all specialists in astronautics. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition ,unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public." This type of firsthand knowledge is convincing 'enough, but when accompanied by the following testimonies of Neil Armstrong and'Buzz Aldrin how can it be disputed? According to NASA astronaut Neil Armstrong aliens had,a base on the Moon and told us stay away from and off of the Moon. Unconfirmed reports suggest that Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin saw UFOs shortly after landing on the Moon in Apollo 11 on July 21, 1969. 'One such reports refers to a light seen in one of the Moon's craters during television transmissions.' One former NASA employee Otto Binder, and many unnamed radio ham operators picked up the following exchange: NASA Whats there? Mission Control Calling Apollo 11 Apolloll : These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous! OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it! I'm telling you ,there are other spacecraft out there, Lined up on the far side of the crater edge! They're. on the Moon watching 'us! An unnamed professor, engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium relates a conversation in which Armstrong states that he did in fact have, an extra-terrestrial encounter while on the Moon. Interestingly enough this correlates with the fact that after the originally scheduled fl to the Moon, the US has not ventured back. ,NASA'S Scott Carpenter claims "At no time, when the. astronauts were in space were they alone: there was a constant surveillance by UFOs (UFO sightings)." While the Roswell Incident and the phenomenon experienced by astronauts , are convincing the numerous accounts of everyday citizens add a more personal note to these unexplained experiences. One such example is .from Michigan Unsolved Mysteries. In this report from 1993, several sightings are reported. The first is a report of a woman returning home about 9:00 P.M. who reported a triangular shaped object following her car as she traveled. Another report 'describes an orange colored light which when it approached a house caused tremors. The local Air force along with the FAA, when asked about these reports, found no explanation for the sightings. The reports contained in this Unsol;ed Mysteries bulletin caught the attention of MUFON, the Mutual UFO Network. 'The investigator for Tuscola County, Michigan is Robert Snow. He interviewed many of the witnesses reported in this document (Michigan). These are just two sightings out of many thousands reported. "Why is this so hard to believe? When the accepted discovery of life off this planet was on the front page of every paper around the world. When even the most conservative scientists and science journals are calling for the exploration of Mars and Jupiter,with every reason to believe that life and the persistence of it is thriving outside our own terrestrial sphere (Agent Mulder, The X-Files)" why then are we so reluctant to accept the possibility that extra-terrestrial intelligence exists? ]Works Cited Roswell Testimony. 14 Jan. 1993. Http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/%7Enatty/roswell.txt. 14 Oct. 1996. ARMS Email System Page 3 of4 Page 3 of4 ARMS Email System Page 40f4 "July 28, 1995." Http://www.sierra·-vista.com/roswell/July28.html. 14 Oct 1996. " "Roswell Daily Record for July 9, 1947." Http://www.sierra-vista.com/roswell/rancher.html. 14 Oct. 1996. "Roswell Daily Record for July 8, 1947." Http://www.sierra-vista.com/roswell/july8.html. 14 Oct. 1996. "UFO Sightings By Astronauts." UFO Joe, February 17, 1993. Http://www.cs.bgsu.edu/-jzawodn/ufo/astro-sightings.htm1 -"Michigan Unsolved Mysteries." Http://www.cs.bgsu.edu/-jzawodn/ufo/michiganI993.html thank you for your time a confirmation response would be appreciated. Nick ==================== ATTACHMENT 1 ~=================== 1\TT CREATION TIME/DATE: 11-DEC-1996 03: 03 :100 .00 1\TT BODYPART TYPE:D TEXT: RFC-822-headers: Received: from storm.eop.gov (storm.eop.gov) by PMDF.EOP.GOV (PMDF VS.O 4 #6879) id <0IICV633UOlS000UOO@PMDF.EOP.GOV>; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 01:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from whitehouse.gov (whitehouse.gov) by STORM.EOP.GOV (PMDF VS.0-7 #6879) id <0IICV630WYROOOICGB@STORM.EOP.GOV>; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 01:08:54 -0700 (MST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by WhiteHouse.gov (8.7.1/uucp-relay) id BAA17272i Wed, 11· Dec 1996 01:08:00 -0500 (EST) ================== END ATTACHMENT 1 =========~======== ARMS Email System Page 4 of4 Withdrawal/Redaction Marker Clinton Library DOCUM ENT NO. SUB,IECT/TITLE DATE RESTRICTION AND TYPE 001. email Scanner Results address [partial] phone number [partial]' (2 pages) 5/12/1997 P6/b(6) COLLECTION: Clinton Presidential Records , Automated Records Management System (Email) . WHO (Roswell) OAfBox Number: 500000 FOLDER TITLE: [12/1111996 -9/2311997] RESTRICTION CODES 2006-0476-F ds257 Presidential Records Act -(44 U.S.C. 2204(a») PI National Security ClassiCied Information (a)(I) of the PRA) P2 Relating to the appointment to Federal office [(a)(2) oC the PRA) P3 Release would violate a Federal, statute l(a)(3) of the PRA) P4 Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential commercial or financial Information l(a)(4) of the PRA] P5 Release would disclose confidentiai advice between the President and his advisors, or between such advisors [a)(5) of the PRA] P6 Release 'would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy l(a)(6) of the PRA) C. Closed in accordance with restrictions contained in donor's deed of gift. PRM. Personal record misfile defined in accordance with 44 U.S.C. 2201(3). RR. Document-will be reviewed upon request. Freedom of Information Act -15 U.S.C. 552(b») b(l) National security classified inCormation [(b)(l) oCthe FOIAI b(2) Release would disclose internal personnel rules and practices of an agency [(b)(2) of the FOlA) b(3) Release would violate a Federal statute l(b)(3) of the FOIAI b(4) Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential or finanCial information [(b)(4) of the FOrAI b(6) Release would constitute a clearly unwa'rranted invasion of personal privacy [(b)(6) of the FOIA] b(7) Release would disclose information compiled for law enforcement purposes l(b)(7) of the FOIAI b(8) Release would disclose Information concerning the regulation oC financial institutions l(b)(8) of the FOIA) b(9) Release would disclose geological or geophysical information concerning wells [(b)(9) of the FOIA) ~JVis ~}1lail System Page 1 of21 RECORD TYPE: PRESIDENTIAL (EXTERNALMAILl CREATOR: uucp@Whitehouse.GOV@INET@EOPMRX CREATION DATE/TIME:ll-MAY-1997 08:13:00.00 SUBJECT: scanner results TO: binns m binns_m@Al@CD ) (WHO) READ: 12 -MAY -1997 05.: 57: 29.56 TO: horn s horn s@Al@CD (WHO) READ: NOT READ TEXT: SCANNER RESULTS then he got down and would not comment any further. Now this oc­ cu~red'in 1959. I can go on and on, but tim~ doesn't allow it. , "I will tell you ladies and gentlemen that there are all kinds of things' going on all the time, we are making rapid progress in exposing this. Since I have begun talking, people who tried to leak it out. And if I hadn't done it the way ,that I did it, you wouldn't be seeing me anywhere standing or walking on this Earth now. They killed President Kennedy and during the workshop, for those of you haven't seen the tape, I will show you, on the tape, who shot the preside'nt and' why. Between' 70 and '73, in Operation Majority it ,stated verbatim that President Kennedy ordered MJ-12 to ce~se the importation and sale of drugs Mr. Cooper paused briefly, and a lady in the audience asked the obvious question~ "Why haven't you been assassinated?" "If they' ",ere to kill ,me now, what would you think?" Cooper posed. "That it's the truth," several people chimed. Cooper: "The shellfish poison? If you go to kill someone, one thing I've learned, I learned it real good, I learned it es­ pecially good when I went to Vietnam; JUSt because you shoot someone doesn't mean they're going to die. And if they don't die, they're going to be mad. And if they've got a gun, you're dead. So you want the first time to be the last time. So if:y6u really want to kill somebody you don't play around. If you re­ ally want to kill somebody ... you kill them, you don't play, you make sure that when you shoot them,'they're dead. That way they can't hurt you, can't hurt you at all." Regrettably, the' next question was totally uni~telligible f the time." "Wasn't the craft at Roswell, New Mexico, destroyed and all the aliens killed?" another young man asked. "All the aliens were dead but the craft .was not completely d~stroyed, it was severely damaged yes." »»»> assassin «««< particles of the exploding pellet or the shellfish poison in his brain which would have .proved conclusively that Lee Harvey Oswald was not the assassin. In fact, Lee Harvey Oswald never fired a MESSAGE BODY From arash.karimi@mailbox.swipnet.se Sun May 11 08:09:24 1997 Received: (from uucp@localhostl by WhiteHouse.gov (8.7.1/uucp-relay) id lAA15786 for <President@WhiteHouse.GO Received: from storm.eop.gov/198.137.241.51 via smap Received: from, DIRECTORY-DAEMON by STORM.EOP.GOV (PMDF V5.1-7 #6879) id <0IIIQIR8JYJKOOOY74@STORM.EOP.GOV> for President@WhiteH9use.GOV; Sun, 11 May 1997 08:09:11 EDT Received: from SCAN-DAEMON by STORM.EOP.GOV (PMDF V5.1-7#6879l ARMS Email System ' Page 1 of21 RMS ., Email System Page 2 of21 cl. <01IIQIR630DSOOOYOV@STORM.EOP.GOV> for president@Whitehouse.GOV; Sun, 1 May 1997 08:09:07 -0400 (EDT) ,ceived: from mailbox.swip.net ([193.12.122.1]) 'ySTORM.EOP .GOV (PMDF V5.1-7 #6879) 'ith ESMTP id <01IIQIQFMJ8AOOOYN5@STORM.EOP.GOV> for president@Whitehouse.GOV; un, 11 May 1997 08:08:34 -0400 (EDT) 'ceived: from batch (dialup163-1-6.swipnet.se [130.244.163.6]) 'y mailbox.swip.net (8.7.6swip/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07393 for president@whitehouse.gov>; Sun, 11 May 1997 14:08:16 +0200 (MET DST) te: Sun, 11 May 1997 14:08:39.+0200 om: Arash Karimi <arash.karimi@mailbox.swipnet.se> ,bject: how do you react when you read this ': president@WhiteHouse. GOV ' ,ply-to: arash.karimi@mailbox.swipnet.se ,,ssage-id: <33 75B6C7 . 7244@mailbox. swipnet. se> ME-version: 1.0 Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [sv] (Win95; I) ,ntent-type:, MULTIPART/MIXED/ BOUNDARY= "Boundary_ [ID_r1vancmxEqz4tgon40qzZg] Ii 'mments: This message scanned by SCAN version 0.1 jms/960226 ,tta ar ett meddelande som bestar av flera delar i MIME-f9rmat. Boundary_[ID_rl~ancmxEqZ4tgon40qzZgl ,ntent-type: text/plain; charset=us~ascii ,ntent-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE would be kind if you could reply after reading this document. ncerly=20 'ash Karimi Boundary [ID rlvancmxEqZ4tgon40qzZg] ,ntent type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=Conspirc.doc Intent-disposition: inline; filename=Conspirc.doc .ntent-transfer:-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE The UFO Conspiracy =20 =20 =20 =20 * =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 * :nformation concerning the U.S. government's cover-up of alien activity on Earth, according to Milton William Cooper =20 =20 =20 =20 The UFO Conspiracy =20 =20 Table of Contents =20 =20 =20 Ie Milton William Cooper Speech ... . ............, ............. 3 )pendix A: Operation Majority ......................... : ... 16 lpendix B: For More Information ..... ,."................... 23 , lpendix C: Musings ......................................... 25 RMS Email System Page 2 of2l ARMS Email System , • J • " • This document was created Microsoft Word 5.0 on a Tandy 1000TL (IBM compatible) computer. The information con­ tained herein comes mostly from the alt.conspiracy section of Usenet, a worldwide computer messaging network 'accessed via the university of Kansas Digital Equipment Corporation VAX 8650 com­ puter system. Other information was obtained by the editor via phone calls and other research. =20 =20 The Milton William Cooper Speech Editor's note: What follows is a of a 45-minute lec­ ture given by Milton William Cooper on N9vember 17, 1989, at the "Whole Life Expo" in Los Angeles, Calif. His speech was tran­ scribed word-for-word from a microcassette'recording. "For those of you who don't know who I am, I was raised in a military family. My family, my ancestors, since they ,came to this country, have been government people. We have ,served in,the mil , we have been patriots, we have fought in all the wars, we care about this country and believe in,the constitution of the United States. We know, as many don't know, that the Con­ stitution of the United States of America is the United States of America! And that's ,why we've always been ready to do the things needed to preserve and protect it. "When I left home I went into the Air Force, the Strategic Air Command. As a child I'd heard stories from my father andpi~ lots; other pilots, my father was a ,about Foo Fighters, UFOs, strange craft that were not made on this Earth. And ,as a kid, you. hear that in passing'; and it's neat, and you giggle about it, and you go out and play 'Space Man,' and you forget ,it. "When I was in the Air Force I met men who had participated in alien crashed-craft recoveries. Now this intrigued me, it in­ terested me, but it was usually after quite a few ,bottles' of. beer that these stories would come out, and sometime~ the'next morning I couldn't remember what the heck the guy said. "When I left the Air Force I went into. the Navy, and this is where everything began to happen for me. I had originally in­ tended to just go from service to service and do something that very few people have ever done before. I was a very adventurous, very crazy young man, and I thought that that would be a pretty exciting life. I volunteered for submarines, and while on the submarine USS Tyroot, SS-416, on a transit between the Port­ land/Seattle area and Pearl Harbor, which was, our home port;' the Pearl sub base, as the port lookout I saw a craft, saucer­ the size of a Midway class carrier, aircraft carrier, for those of you who don't know how big is; it's huge, come up out of the water approximately two and a half nautical miles off the port bow, which is aboJt 45 degrees tp'the left of the pointy end of the submarine. 'It tumbled slowly on its own axis, and went up into the clouds. It appeared to be moving ~lowly to me at a distance of two and a half nautical miles, but in reality ,it was moving pretty fast because it came up out of the wa'ter, did a few tumbles, and it was gone! "I then reported it to the officer of the deck: I didn't tell him what it was that I saw because my Daddy didn't, raise no fools and in case nobody else saw it I didn't'want to be the only looney on board the ship. So I asked the officer of the 'deck to help me cover that area, and he did, which is common for off,icers and lookouts to help each other while on bridge watch because they all hang tog~ther if something bad happens. After a few seconds of watChing, the same craft, or another craft exactly like came down out of the clouds, tumbled again on its own axis, and went into the water. Ensign , who was the, officer of the deck, was literally shocked! ,What could I say? Seaman Dejeralimo, who was the starboard lookout, had also witnessed this, and Ensign Ball called the captain to ,the bridge who was followed by the chief quartermaster who brought a 35MM c~mera, ARMS Email System Page 3 of21 Page 3 of21 ~S~~nail System and we watched for between seven and 10 minutes the same craft, or different craft that' looked exactly alike, enter and leave 'the water. It was an incredible show. I don't know if they ·knew we were there, if they even cared, but the craft did not glow, they were metal, they were machines without a doubt, they were obviously intelligently guided, they were huge, and having been in the Air Force and the Navy and knowing what it takes, I kriew without a doubt, and know it today, that that machine was not made on the face of this earth; Because there's nothing that,man can make, that can fly through the air at a speed like that, tum­ ble on its own axis, and enter the water and effectively fly be­ heath the sea. " "If you've ever been aboard an airplane 'and then gone aboard a submarine, I know there's probably some of you in this room who have visited a submarine at one time or another, you can readily see just without even any of the technicalities involved how dif­ ficult such a thing would be to do. Where would it be built, that size? It was absolutely incredible. It changed my life be­ cause then all the stories that I'd heard all my life I knew were true, and I began seeing the world in a different light. "It wasn't long after that I was trained by Naval security in intelligence. I was sent to Vietnam. I was assigned as a pa­ trol boat 'captain, "first in DaNang harbor,' given a crew, given a' multi-million dollar patrol boat. My job was to gather intelli­ gence from the people who lived around the harbor and the fisher­ men who transited the harbor, and maintain the·safety and secu­ rity of the harbor and the shipping. After about five months I was sent up North to· the DMZ, to a called Qua Vieaf [spl, on the Tacan [spl river. Our base camp was at the river mouth. We were only three miles south of the North Vietnamese border and our job was to patrol the Tac'an river from the' river mouth to Dang Ha (sp], and then up the Quang Tree [spl cutoff to Quang Tree city, again to get to know the people on the bank, gather intelligence, and to patrol every night and maintain the safety and security of the and the river traffic. "It was while there that I discovered that there was a tremendous amount of UFO and alien activity in Vietnam. It was always reported in official messages as 'enemy helicopters.' Now any·of you who know anything about the Vietnam war know that the North Vietnamese did not have any helicopters, especially after our first couple of air raids into North Vietnam. Ev'en if they had they would not have been so foolish as to bring them over the DMZ because that would have insured their demise. Our troops were fired on occasionally by these 'enemy helicopters,' enemy troops were fired on occasionally by these 'enemy helicopters, , and occasionally people would disappear.' And on one instance that I know for sure at least one entire village disappeared one night because of alien accivity. The reason they used the term 'enemy helicopters' in messages and dispatches was that in Viet­ nam you could be overrun at any time, no matter where you where. They did not bring crypto encoding equipment into Vietnam, I ',m talking about the machinery. What we did is we had crypto ta­ bles, and once we every 24 hours. those codes would be no good. So that's what we used. We also, because of the inability to use crypto transmitting equipment, had to devise code words such as 'enemy helicopters.' "Wh~n I left Vietnam I was eventually attache~ to the head­ quarters staff of the Commander in Chief of the United States Pa­ cific Fleet at Macalappa, [spl Hawaii, which is a little hill overlooking Pearl Harbor, it's a beautiful white building, up there, and I.was specifically attached to the Intelligence Brief­ ing Team of the Commander in Chief of the United States Pacific Fleet. "It was during this tour of duty that, in' the course of my duties, documents were placed in my hands that were so unbeliev­ able and so incredible that it took me quite a while to'adjust to the fact that what I was seeing was real. Now for those of you who don't understand how I could come to see this information, let me give you a little short course in security clearance and the need to know and how you get to see classified information if you're in the military or in the government, it doesn't matter ARMS Email System Page 4 of21 Page 4 of21 ~RMS ~~ail System Page 5 of21 ..' . which, the rules a,re the same. II NO'. I, you need a security clearance, and you I ve got to· have clearance at the level that the information you want to,see "t' is cla:;;sif-i,ed at., In this instance it was classified 'Top Se­ cret" Magic, Restricted Information,' which I c~me to find ,out later is the highest security classification in, the Nation. To' 'get that type of clear'ance, all you have to have is a Federal Bu­ reau of Investigation background check,which takes about six months"and they send federal agents to your home; to your old schools, to all, your teachers, to your friends, to everybody you put down on your security clearance forms, to all your old ad­ 'dresses, your neighbors, everybody, that you've worked for, :and it's embarrassing because they don't tell them what they're checking on. They just show them their identification and start asking questions and that's when you find out who"s your friend and who's not, because a lot of people get scared and think, 'Bill just "robbed a bank and I'm not talking to him anymore. ' "Now once you get that it's called a 'B.I." and for those of you who have received a copy of my service record look on the first page, the DD-214 where it says 'Security Clearance,' you will see the term 'B.I.' That"s a 'Bureau' of Investigation' clearance. Now at that point, ,you have the clearance 'for every­ thing including TOp Secret and above. What determines what you get to see is your, need to know, and,. the job that you have det'er~ mines what your need to know is. "I was assigned to the intelligence Briefing Te~m of the Commander in Chief of ,the United States Pacific Fleet, ~ho had to know everything concerning his 'area of operations "which' was i one half of the Earth's surface; the Indian ocean, th~ Pacific oc~an; and all the land masses in betwe~n. Believe it or not, if we go to war, if we 'ever go to war, it's the United States Navy that strikes the first blow and attempts to keep the enemy at,bay while we can get ourselves together, at least historically, 'Nu­ 'clear weapons have kind of done away with that concept, but mili­ tary commanders 1ike to ,talk about it anyway. "Because of this, and yo~ have no conception of the amovnt of material and information that an area commander has to know; it's unbelievable, and he : has to keep track of this, he has to keep on top of it. He has to know what's happening; he has to make the right decisions. Because it's,almost humanly impossible for anyone to do that, they have what's called a briefing team, and it's our job to' make sure, that he has the correct informa'­ tion, all the time, on a 24-hour basis. And every morning, be­ tween 8 and 9 a.m., we would give a briefing which covered every­ thing that happened in the previous 24 hours, and everything scheduled to happen in the next 24 hours, and all the pertinent intelligence reports that we had received since the last briefing that he needed to, know and that his staff members needed to know. Occasi'onally we would, get messages marked 'Top Secret" Magic, Re­ stricted Information,' and it ~ould be coded in such'a way that all you had were answers to questions which, you didn't know what the questions were so you really didn't know,what the message was all about. "But eventually I found myself in possession, hol,ding two documents; one called 'Proje~t Grudge,' another one called 'Operation Majority.' Project Grudge cqntained the history of alien involvement since' around , 1936,' and it began talking about Germany's involvement with a crashed disk that they had recov~red' in 1936 and were attempting to duplicate the technology.: They were not successful despite what all, these Nazi hunters want to tell you. If they had been s~ccessful, we would not have won the war, because ,you cannot beat those weapons! You cannot out fly those craft, you, can't. even think about it with conventional air­ craft. If Germany had been successful, we would now have a Ger­ man flag up in front of this'podium. "They did make some headway. When we went into puntCl; Mundy [sp] we captured documents, we got some scientists" we got some hardware. The Russians also g'ot some documents, some scientists,' and some hardware. It wasn't until 1947 that we wer'e,able to capture a craft, q whole craft; not all together but it was ev­ erything. And that occurred near the city of Roswell, New Mex- ARMS Email,System Page'S of21 ~S~tnail System ico. There were dead aliens recovered from the craft. In Pro­ ject Grudge I saw photographs of these dead alien's, of the craft; I saw photographs of live aliens; I saw photographs of 'autopsies, internal organs; I saw photographs of the alien designated 'E.B.' [or Ebe] , which was held in' captivity from 1949 until June 2, 1952, when he died. I saw the history of what they had been able to at that time put together, from incidents in the 1800s, wQich involved aliens and their craft. ' "I saw the names of projects. I saw a project that was, to fly recovered alien craft that had been recovered intact and un­ damaged, and some of them were recovered and undamaged, and how that\happened I have no idea. It was called 'Project Redlight," and first was conducted from the Tonopah test'range in the Nevada test sight and then was moved to a speci~lly built area, ordered built by president Eisenhower, called 'Area-51,' code named 'Dreamland,' in the Groom , [sp] dry lake area of the Nevada test sight, by secret executive order. It doesn't exist officially, if you ask anyone, or if you write letters to the government they will tell you it doesn't exist. However if you go out there at several places and see it, fly outside the bound­ aries and look down and see it, you know it's there, but accord­ ing to the government it doesn't exist. "The project to fly, test fly these craft, was ongoing until sometime in 1962 when a craft blew up not far from the test sight, in the air, and the explosion was seen over a three-state area. The pilots were killed, they had no idea what had happened or why the craft blew up, but they put'projectRedlight on hold until a later date when the aliens supplied us with three craft and personnel to help us learn how to fly these craft. That pro­ ject is ongoing, and we now have not only alien craft that we are flying, we have craft we have built, using the captured technol ogy, and ,some of the UFOs that report seeing in the United states,' and maybe even elsewhere, are flown by United States per­ sonnel. ' "That may come as a shock to you. We have technology way beyond the limits of what we have been told. A lot of our devel­ opment technologically, since the end of World War II, has been due to the exchange of technology which occurs in the area called 'Area 51' on a regular basis ... ongoing. "When James Oberth, Professor Oberth retired, many of you don't know who he is ... not too many space people in here. Pro­ fessor Oberth was probably one of the g~eatest rocket scientists and space commentators that 'ever lived. When he retired, the government gave him a special award, there was a press confer­ ence, all kinds of ceremony, and when· he got up to speak he said, 'Gentlemen,' and I Professor Oberth, he said, 'Gentlemen, we cannot take credit for all the technological developments that we have had in the last decade. We have had help, , and that's where he stopped. "One of the reporters raised his hand and said, 'Professor Oberth, can you tell us what other country helped us?' "He said, 'It was those little guys from out In space,' and then he got down and would not comment any further. ,Now this oc­ curred in 1959. I can go on and on, but time doesn't allow it. "I will tell you ladies and gentlemen that there are-all kinds of things going on all the time, we are making rapid progress in exposing this. Since I have begun talking, people have been coming out of the woodwork' at a rapid rate, who know and have pieces of this puzzle, and are helping us to put it to­ gether, because I don't have all the answers. I saw an awful lot of material, I have remembered an awful lot of it, I have proba­ bly, in my remembering, made some mistakes, and I guarantee you they're minor ones, if I have. "We have just recently, for those of you who didn't believe that the Jason' Society of the Jason Scholars, the secret group, existed, we now have a letter from the Pentagon, with 51 names of the Jason Scholars, an admission from the Pentagon that they hold the highest security'clearances in the nation, an admission 'from the Pentagon that they hold the protocol rank of Rear Admiral, and are treated as such on any military installation or in any government office. There are six Nobel Prize winners on that ARMS Email System Page 6of21 Page 6of21 A¥MS .Email System list, there are the elite of the of the scientific world, they are the only ones who really ,know the truth about the tech­ nology today and about the real science, of , because the one that we're being taught all the time ... If you send your' kids to col to learn physics you're wasting your' money be­ cause they're teaching them stuff that doesn't work, it's not true, it's not real. Gravity is not what we think it is. There is a Unified Theory! We already 'know what it is; it's what makes these craft work. It's absolutely incredible what',s going on. "How many of you keep up with Billy Goodman's show on KVEG out of' Las Vegas? For those of you who don't, I would try tuning in on any night between 10 p.m. and 1 a.m. It's 840 on your AM dial, and the subject every night are those subjects that no other media person in the United States will touch with a 10-foot pole, every single night except Saturday night. It's the only show that you can call in and talk to an~ther cailer, you've got three minutes to say whatever you want to say as long as you don't cuss or swear or slander anyone, and every night they',re helping to expose this. "When John Lear and I first said what was going on out at Groom Lake everybody said, 'You're nuts, there's nothing going on out at Groom Lake!' ,The listeners of the Billy Goodman radio show put together an excursion and went up to Groom Lake ,and they all, ever since, every night, they go up there and watch them test fly the alien craft ... every night! The first night they had 100 people there. And 100 people saw four alien craft fly, dOing things that no airplane and no helicopter can do. Now they don't; tell us anymore that there's nothing happening at Groom Lake. What t,ell us now is there's no such thing as aliens, it's all government secret projects. That's OK because we'll prove that wrong too eventually, it just takes a while. Because where we were ,., it's not where we're at, and I'm really 'happy about that. "Now, if you want to see what's happening right now,' keep watching your movies, watching your telev'ision commercials, your alien programs on ,television, read Whitley Strieber's, Majestic, which is a part of the contingency plan called 'Majestic' to test the reaction of the population' to the presence of aliens on the Earth. And I have just finished my study of Whitley Strieber's book Majestic, and I'm going to tell you right now that most of the documerits in there, that he says are fiction, are real documents that came right out of Project Grudge. It is part of the government's campaign to leak informa­ tion out in ways that they can always deny that it's real. There's only one thing wrong with the information in that book, the stories of the characters in there I know nothing about. What I'm talking about are the supposed government documents that he has in that book. I'm telling you tonight they're real. Those are some of the same documents that I, saw in Project Grudge back between 1970 and 1973, and where we have wondered before" now we know that Whitley Strieber is working for the government. And we had a suspicion anyway because in the front of his book ,he states that he got information was helped by the research team of· Moore"Shanderey, and Friedman. William Moore has pub­ licly admitted on July 1 that he is an agent of the United States Government, and we know that the others are too,. "This is going to come out, and the reason they're doing it the way they're doing it is they know eventually you're going to find out that it's all true and real. They're desensitizing you so that you're not shocked, so that there's no collapse,ofsoci etyas we know it, so that the religious structure doesn't fall to pieces, so that the stock market doesn't go crazy, because these were their original fears. Now, there',s nothing we can do about the last one because it's already happened, there will be a segment of the population that worships the aliens, though they're no different than us; they're just from else, and they may look a little, different. They are not gods, But there are already people worshiping the aliens and they predicted this would happen when they slapped t'he secret stamp all over all this stuff. ' "You know, there's really nothing wrong with what's been Page 7 of21 ARMS Email System Page 7 of21 ~.MS J?P1ail System happening except for three things. [Cooper forgot to mention the third thing, or was sidetracked, or included it into the second thing .] "No. I,when they decided to keep it secret they needed to finance it, they couldn't tell the publiCi so they couldn't tell Congress. They decided to finance it with the sale, importation and sale, of drugs. Now in the documents that I read, in Opera tion Majority, it specifically stated that when George Bush was the president ,and CEO of Sapata [sp] Oil, he, in conjunction with the CIA, organized the first large-scale drug importation into ) this country from South and Central America by fishing boat, ,to' the offshore oil platforms of Sapata Oil, and then from there into the beach, thus bypassing all Customs inspections and law­ enforcement inspections of any kind. They are still bringing in drugs, to a limited extent, in this manner. Another manner is by CIA contract aircraft which, one of their bases of landing is Homestead [sp] Air Force Base in Florida. We have affidavits =66rom air controllers who have vectored the planes in, who have made sure that they're 'not interfered :<lith in any way ..We have affidavits from personnel at Homestead Air Force Base who say the planes have been met by Jeb Bush, who is George Bush's son. We have affidavits from people who work in the Gulf of Mexico, in the offshore oil business, that yes indeed, the drugs are coming in, at least some of them, from the offshore oil platforms." From the audience came a clear statement, "Just say no?" "Pardon?' Right! Just Say No! Well that',s what we're going to do ladies and gentlemen with your help. We are going to say no, no more! And you have to do it, you have to act. You either have to act or watch your country go down the tubes. "Now, 'that's one of the things that's wrong. The next thing that's wrong is, to keep the secret, they killed a lot of people who tried to leak it out. And if I hadn't done it the way that' I did it, you wouldn't be seeing me anywhere standing or 'walking on this Earth now. They killed President Kennedy and during the workshop, for those of you haven't seen the tape, I will show you, on the tape, who the president and why. Between '70 and '73, in Operatio~ Majority it stated verbatim that President Kennedy ordered MJ-12 to cease the importation and sale of drugs to the American people, that he ordered them to implement a plan to reveal the presence of aliens to the American people within the following year. His assassination was ordered by the policy committee of the Vilderbergers. MJ-12implemented the plan and carried it out'in Dallas. It involved agents of the CIA, Divi­ sion-5 of (the FBI:, the Secret Service, and the Office of Naval Intelligence. President Kenneay was killed by the driver of his car, his name was William Greer, he used a recoilless, electri cally operat~d, gas-powered asiassination pistol that was spe­ cially bui~t by the CIA to assassinate people at close range. It fired an explosive pellet which injected a large amount of shell­ fish poison into the brain, and that is why, in the documents, it stated that President Kennedy's brain was removed. If you~ve studied the case, you will find that indeed his brain disap­ peared. The reason for that is so that they would not find the particles of the exploding pellet or the shellfish poison in his brain which would have proved conclusively that Lee Harvey Oswald was not the assassin. In fact, Lee Harvey Oswald never fired a shot, he was the patsy." Mr. Cooper paused briefly, and a lady in the audience asked the 9bvious question, "Why haven't you been assassinated?" ' "If they were "to kill me right now, what would you think?" Cooper posed. "That it's the truth," several people chimed. "I've got them right where I want them. If t,hey touch me, everyone who has ever'heard me talk is going to be absolutely en­ raged and is going to know that everything I've said is true. As long as they d~n't touch me there's going to be some of you who are always going to be wondering. But eventually we're going to bring enough proof out, and if you're ,here during the workshop you're going to see an awful lot of it that's going to prove to you that 'it's true.. It's ,real. And it's happening! "Okay, I've tried to cover a lot of stuff, just briefly, be- ARMS Email System Page 8 of21 ARMS Et;nail System , . , cause there's no time in 45 minutes ,to get into anything very much:" Mr'. Cooper then announced the scheduled workshop' session the following day in which tangible proofs coul4 be seen but the transcriber was unable to attend. He then opened up the floor to questions and answers. A muffled question was barely heard coming from the front of the room, 'which in essence asked, "What about all the people 'in the press and others who were in Dallas and who saw the assassi­ nation? Couldn't they tell where the shot came from? Why didn't they come forward? There must have been plenty." "There was, we know that there was at 18 who were all murdered within two years of the event. The odds of that happen­ ing are 1 300,000 trillion." Cooper replied. Again a muffled question, "Why did the driver have to shoot Kennedy?" ' "Because the other fools missed! There were a total of three' shots fired at President Kennedy, one hit him in the throat and didn't kill him and two of them hit John Connelly [sp]. The one that was fired from the grassy knoll hit the president in the throat. The other two shots came from directly behind the limou­ sine, not the school book depository building, .and hit Governor Connel Governor Connelly, in intelligence community circles, is known as a 'can do' man, because he took two hits and still kept his mouth shut." "How is it that the driver, sitting on the front, left':hand side of the car was able to blow off the right side of Kennedy'S brain when the bullet actually entered in, and it would have been virtually impossible ., .. " another person asked. Mr. Cooper seized the gist of his question and injected, "For those of you who have been listening to all these talk show hosts, whose job it is to be a talk show host, and who have not done any legitimate research into this, if you come to the work­ shop, I will show you, on the tape, how it was done. You will see that Kennedy was, in fact slumped over against Jackie, his head was turned [this direction], it was ;very simple, was easy and you will see it with your own eyes." Another muffled, off-mike question from a member of the au­ dience inquiring why no one else had come forward with the infor­ mation Mr. Co'oper was disseminating, and' why those who knew it had kept it secret for so long was 'quickly answered, "It hasn't been, I'm talking about it now. Bill English was 'talking about it eight years ago, but everybody laughed at, Bill English. John Lear's been talking about it for three years, and everybody laughed at him. Now there's so many. people have been talking about it, people are starting to listen, and it's about time. Because it's about time we that we quit being fools, and that's exactly what they think we are, and we prove it to them every day. " The next question dealt with the alien technology and asked in essence, "Hasn't anyone else [other than the government] come up with the energy technology that the aliens have?" to which Mr. Cooper answered, "There's been quite a few people who've come up with it and they've all been stopped~ and they'll all continu~ to be stopped. Because once you have it you have free energy. Once you have free energy they no longer have power over you. You un­ derstand? That's why they stop it." Another question asking, '''In the film of the assassination, which was examined greatly by experts, why didn't they conclude that Kennedy'S driver shot him?" to which Cooper asked, "Examined by whom greatly? Most of the film. that you can purchase has ,that segment cut out. and you can always tell it by the person running in the background, they'll run up to here ... all of a sudden they'll be down here ... running. You will see in most of 't'he clips that you've ever seen on television, or in the movies, or that you're able to get your hands on, you'll see William Greer start to turn like this ... " then a muffled comment from the au­ dience,then Cooper answered, "That's because they clipped it out! And on a lot of them,' I'll bet you most of you, every time you've seen the clip on television, never looked at the driver anyway., If you're really honest with yourself, and with me., you' Page 9 of21 ARMS Email System Page 9 of21 ARMS EF1ail System , . know your eyes were right on Kennedy." A woman asked if any of the alien technology was being used in present-day military equipment ;md was answered, "Yes, there's a lot of alien technology contained in the Stealth bomber, that's right. The Stealth was flying for 10 years before you even knew it existed." As the hour drew late another question, more clearly stated, was asked of Mr. Cooper, "Before' you let us all out of here, there's a bunch of us here wondering what can we all do to help bring this all,out?" A single word, "revolt," issued from se~eral listeners si 7 multaneously, but Cooper responded, "Don't revolt. What you need to do is what you should have been doing all along. You need to 3et involved with your government. The first thing you need to do is purchase a copy of the Constitution, which I know that most of you don't have anywher~ in your house, and if I were to go around this room and ask each person what the Constitution says, most of you couldn't tell me what the Constitution says from your 3rocery bill. And that's the truth! And that is your country! So if you don't knowwhat your Constitution is you're dead al­ ready, so . the first thing you do is you get a copy. of your Con­ stitution. '. The secohd thing you do is you learn it! The third' thing you do is you start calling your senators and your repre­ sentatives, and the President of the United States and you start leaning on them, and you tell them, 'Unless, you st,raighten up the 30vernment, and unless we start getting the truth, and I mean the , whole truth, 'and no more of this baloney, this is the last job you're ever going to have, period. And I'll do everything in my power to make sure that comes true.' And then write them, fre­ quently, saying the same thing. And then when they're in your area, in their area offices, take a little delegation and go see them, ,and make them understand that they're going to be living in poverty because they're not going to have a job anymore come election day. You see, the secret government may own the execu­ tive branch, but you people, all of us, we own the Congress, and the Congress makes the laws, and the Congress can impeach the en­ tire executive branch! You also have the right to petition the 30vernment for a redress of injuries. 'So you are powerful, you've just forgotten that you're powerful, you've forgotten that that vote that you haven't been doing every time election comes around, that vote has abdicated your power. That vote you did not cast abdicated your power and gave it to those who are sub­ verting the Constitution and are ruining this country'." A gentleman then asked, '~What was traded to the aliens for their technology?" "People 'and animals," replied Cooper succinctly. ~nother man asked, "Is the Soviet Union in on any of thi~?" "The Soviet Union and the United States of America have been close allies since the end of World War II and have been closely participating in the secret space program all this time. The s6­ viets have the same thing we have, yes. What you see happening in the Soviet block right now is not the result, of peopie stand­ ing up and saying, 'We want to be free.' It's the result of the international pankers saying, 'You tear down these barriers, and you meet the West half way, give your people some freedom, the West is going to take some freedom away from their people so that we can put together a one-world economic system ... and have all the power. That's what's happening! If you don't believe it, stick around and watch it!" A dubious woman then asked, "Why was the shellfish poison necessary? A lot of his brain was blown off anyway." Cooper: "The shellfish poison? If you go to kill someone, one thing I've learned, I learned it real good, I learned it es­ pecially good when I went to Vietnam; just because you shoot someone doesn't mean they're going to die. And if they don't die, they're going to be mad. And if they've got a gun, you're dead. So you want the first time to be the last time. So if you really want to kill somebody you don't play ,around. If yo~ re­ ally want to kill somebody ... you kill them, you don't play, you make sure that when you shoot them, they're dead. That way they can't hurt you, can't hurt 'you at all:" Page 10 of21 ARMS Email System Page 10 of21 ARMS ElJlail System • I' • + Regrettably, the next question was totally unintelligible, but thankfully Mr. Cooper had a good public.address system to am­ plify his reply, "The first moon landing was May 22, 1962 ... or excuse me, that was the first landing' on Mars. I'm sorry, May 22, 1962, was the winged probe that used a hydrozine propeller, flew around. approximately three orbits,and landed on May 22, 1962, was a joint United States/Russian endeavo'r: The ·first time that we landed on the moon was sometime during the .... probably middle 50s, because at the time when President Kennedy stated that he wanted a man to set foot on the moon by the end of the .decade we' already had a base there." "What about Mars?" came another quick question. "We have a base on Mars also," Cooper calmly replied. "When did that happen?" "I don't know the exact date but I know the project's name, it was 'Adam and Eve. ' " "How long have you known about this?" "Well, I revealed it publicly for the first time on July 2, 1989, and within three weeks of the. time I revealed it publicly, the government, to get the American people not to listen to me, came out and said that they planned to build a base on the moon and a colony on Mars. Now, three days previous to my speech, representatives from NASA said" '.We can never have a colony on Mars, it's impossible that there's a colony on Mars because Mars is a dead planet.' And it's not a dead planet, they've lied to you about Mars." "My name is Dave [unintelligible], I'm'a representative of the Crystic Institute, and I'd like to know why it was that when we sent a representative down to your home, at your request, you failed to produce any documentation to substantiate your allega-, tions." "In the first place it was not at my request, I have never contacted the Crystic Institute in my life. I was on the Ca~ol Hemingway Show, she contacted the Crystic .institute, she told Daniel Shehan [sp] that I had just said something about Bush and drugs on her show. He called me and told ~e he wanted to send an investigator, in fact he told me to even help the investigator because he was new at the job, his name was Wayne Nelson, he is a very good gentleman, 'he at my house for two days, slept overnight on my couch, I gave him everything I had. I never'told Daniel Shehan that I : had any documents and I never told Wayne Nelson that I had any documents. In fact what I told Wayne Nel­ son, and I quote, 'Wayne, if I did have the documents I couldn't admit it and I don't know you from Adam, and I don't know Daniel Shehan from Adam and 'what makes you think I would.give them to you. ' Who am I going to them to and how quick are' they going to disappear, that was my thought. Wayne Nelson also came to my house with a stack of documents this thick already substantiating the presence of aliens and extraterrestrial craft on this planet, and they are keeping it a secret, because they're afraid somebody'll laugh at them and they'll loose their credibility. "We need some patriots in this country, not people trying to make a 'name for themselves, trying to expose some drug runners, because those are just the bag-men. The real crook is in the White House! And you can tell that to Daniel Shehan!" "Why didn't Jackie Kennedy report [the source of the lethal shot]?" asked another audience member. "Who's she going to tell? The Secret Service just killed'her husband, and they're assigned to protect the president. Also, who had her children? The same Secret Service had her children at the time." "Wasn't the craft at Roswell', New Mexico, destroyed and all the aliens killed?" another young man asked. "All the aliens were dead but the craft was not completely destroyed, it was' severely damaged yes." On an 'unrelated note an older gentl,eman asked, "Does that mean that Alternative-3 is true?" "Alternative-3 is absolutely true and so is Alternative-2." Then a man in his. late 20s or early 30s raised his hand, said something unintelligible, ·andwas apparently recognized by ARMS Email System Page 11 of21 Page 11 of21 ~SElTIail System Mr. Cooper, who asked him to take the podium and addr~ss the au~ diemce. "What I said was that I thanked him [Cooper] very much for coming forward and saying something. A lot of my friends out here know 'that I was involved in the United States Special Forces, UFO Tracking and Research from the years 1971 to 1975. My name is Richard Murray, I was based out of the 71st Tac Con­ trol Flight, McDill Air Force Base, Tampa, Florida. We were 'Mobile Radar Command,' that was combat and war ready. We could be loaded on aircraft within an hour and many times were taken into areas [to] set up radar. A lot of times we were setup around Egland [sp] Air Force Base because that's where they have the 'Altered Temperature Weather Control,' where they can test, various aircraft for their shrinkage and their dimension change during altered temperature. So, you know, I was told to shut up twice in 1982 and they finally threatened my parents life so I' quiet, and, that's when Wendel Stevens was taken off the streets ... Just like that! And I hid for awhile, and de­ cided to come back out when I heard that you're ·[Cooper] of such high rank as you were, and I felt just in 'that your cre­ dentials are true, and that what you have to say, everything you've said here today, I've heard before behind closed doors. And you've really tied the link for me to the Kennedy killing. And there's a few more links that have to go on with the Columbia Cartel and the money laundering. I think there'S more than one involved, and 're shutting one of them down so one dan maintain a power, it just seems ,to be the way it works." A muffled question then, came from someone in the audience regarding the person referred to as "Colonel Stevens." "Uh, Colonel Stevens is out of jail now," replied Murray who was quickly asked another question I couldn't hear to which he answered, "I sure hope to hell so, he is a wonderful man, and I give him my utmost respect,and it was one of the saddest days in my life to see what happened to him happen to him. But I don't care what they say about Wendel Stevens, in my heart you can't discredit that man to me. I don't care who the hell you are., I won't listen to it, I don't give a shit if he was screwing ba­ bies. You know ... that doesn't ... he's not that kind of a man, I don't care what you say, I know him personally." The lecture was then essentially over. The "Alternative~2 and Alternative-3" that were referred to are (just now) two government contingency to 1. Declare Martial Law and invalidate the Constitution on the premise that a terrorist group had entered the country with a Nuclear weapon with plans to detonate it in a major city. All dissidents would be rounded up and placed in concentration camps and the 'press and media would be nationalized. All this if the information becomes before they want it to or if the aliens 'attempt a takeover, and 2. Another contingency plan to contain or delay the release of this information, the details of which I am probably wrong about ,anyway. Mr. Cooper is a man who appears to be in his late 40s, of medium height and weight, and was dressed casually during the lecture. His hairline was receding slightly, and he carried him­ self with confidence and purpose. Bill Cooper, as he was called by several in attendance, is not a professional speaker. His presentation lacked the poiish of repeated deliveries which all the other lectures had the Expo, but what it lacked in fine tuning was easily made up for in its content. =20 =20 Appendix A:, Operation Majority OPERATION MAJORITY FINAL RELEASE THERE WILL BE NO CORRECTIONS TO THIS FILE (C) COPYRIGHT 1989 BY MILTON WILLIAM COOPER ALL RIGHTS RESERVED YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION TO QUOTE FROM THIS INFORMATION IN PRESS RELEASES, PERIODICALS, AND SPEECHES. Page 12 of21 ARMS Email System Page 12 of21 ~MS~U1ail System INCLUSION IN ANY OTHER MEDIA REQUIRES MY EXPRESS WRITTEN PERMIS­ SION. =20 This file contains the absolute true information regarding the alien presence on Earth and the U.S. Government's involvement with the aliens. ' This file contains only the information as I saw it and only my information. It does not contain any information from any other source. It was necessary for me to issue the information previous to this release in a manner which would deceive the government until someone was able to independently confirm my identity, my employ­ ment, my service record, my intelligence background, the identity of the person to which I gave the information in 1972, hisac­ knowledgment of the info~mation and when it was given to him, that the information is correct, that I have not seen him since 1974, and that I have not communicated with him in any form since 1976. This was necessary because this file is my death warrant if MJ-12 continues to operate in a manner consistent with its his­ tory. All in the last paragraph has been independently verified by two different people who have no connection with each other: 'I will only list one for obvious reasons. Tony Pelham, journalist Las Vegas Builet . 300 West Boston Las Vegas, Nevada 89102. The original information that I first released was not much MAJI that I was not a threat long enough to have independent ver­ ification of the facts before I risked death. [TRANSMISSION GAR­ BLED] I wish to make it absolutely clear that I do not consider myself a hero. I believe that most of you would do the same thing if you knew the truth. I gave an oath that I would,uppold and protect the Constitu­ tion of the United States of America and I take that oath very seriously. I am doing no more now than I did when I fought in Vietnam. I am doing my duty. Please make copies of this file and send it to your con­ 3ressman, your senator, the attorney general of the United States, and the Supreme Court. Send it also to everyone you know. Attach copies of the Bill English file and John Lears file. Send anything else you may have which .tends to support the information. I, Milton William Cooper, 1311 S. Highland #205, Fullerton; California, 92632, 1-714-680 9537, do solemnly swear that the in­ formation contained ,in this fire is true and correct to the best of my knowledge. I swear that I saw this information in 1972 the perfor­ mance of my duties as a member of the Intelligence Briefing'Team of the ,Commander In Chief of the Pacific Fleet as a Petty Officer in the U. S. Navy. \ I swear that I underwent hypnotic regression in order to make the information as accurate as possible. . I swear that I can and will take a lie detector test or any .other test of any reputable person's choosing in order to confirm this information. I swear that I can and will undergo'hypnotic regression con­ ducted by any reputable and qualified doctor of any'reputable .J person's choosing in order to confirm this information. I will not, however submit to any test or hypnosis by anyone who is now or has ever been connected with the government in any capacity for obvious reasons. ' The following is brief listing of everything that I person­ ally saw and know from 1972 and does not contain 'any input from any other source whatsoever. MAJESTY was listed as the code word for the President of the ARMS Email System Page 13 of21 Page 13 of21 ~S.~~ailSystem United States for communications concerning this information. OPERATION MAJORITY is the name of the operation responsible for every aspect, project, and consequence of alien presenc~ on Earth. GRUDGE contains 16 volumes of documented information.col lected from the beginning of the United States investigation of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs). and Identified Alien Crafts (lACs) . The project was financed by CIA confidential funds (nonappropriatedl and money from the illicit drug trade. Partie ipation in the illegal drug trade was ified in that it would id~ntify and eliminate the weak elements of our society. The purpose of Project Grudge was to collect all scientific, techno­ logical, medical and intelligence information from UFO/lAC sight­ ings and. contacts with alien life forms. This orderly file of collected information has been used to advance the United States Space' Program. MJ-12 is the name of the secret control group. President Eisenhower commissioned.a secret society known as THE JASON SOCIETY (JASON SCHOLARS) to sift through all the facts, evidence, technology, lies and and. find the truth of the alien question. The was made "up of 32 of the most prominent men in the country in 1972 and the top 12 members were designated MJ-12. MJ-12 has total control over.everything. They are desig­ nated by the codes J-1, J-2, etc., all the way through the members of the Jason Society. The director of the CIA was appointed J-1 and is the Direc­ tor of MJ-12. MJ-12 is responsible only to the President. MJ-12 runs most of the world's il drug trade. This was done to hide funding and thus keep the secret from the Congress and the people of the United States. It was justified in that it would identify and eliminate the weak elements of our society.' . The cost of funding the alien connected projects is higher than anything you can imagine. . MJ-12 assassinated President Kennedy when he informed. them that he was going to tell the public all the facts of the alien presence. He was killed by the 'Secret Service agent driving his car, and it is visible in·the film held from public view. A secret meeting place'Was constructed for MJ-12 in MARYLAND and it was described as only accessible by air. It contains' full living, recreational, and other facilities for MJ-12 and the JASON SOCIETY. It is' code named "THE COUNTRY CLUB." Only those' with TOP SECRET/MAJIC clearance are allowed to go there. MAJI is the MAJORITY AGENCY FOR JOINT INTELLIGENCE. All information,disinfbrmation, and intelligence is gath­ ered and evaluated by this agency. ~ This agency is responsible for all disinformation and oper­ ates. in conjunction with. theClA, NSA, and the Defense'Intelli­ gence Agency. This is a very powerful organization, and all a'lien projects are under its control. . MAJI is responsible only to MJ-12. SIGMA is the project which first established communications with the aliens and is still responsible for communications. PLATO is the project responsible for diplomatic relations .with the aliens. This project secured a formal treaty (illegal under the Con­ stitution) with the aliens. The terms were that the aliens would give us technology. In return, we agreed to keep their presence on earth a se­ cret, not to interfere in any way with their actions, and to al­ low them to abduct humans and animals. The aliens agreed to furnish MJ-12 with a list of abductees on a periodic basis. MAJIC is the security classification and clearance of all alien connected material. projects, and information. ARMS Email System Pag~ 14 of21 Page 14 of21 ARMS Eplail System , ' , MAJIC means MAJI Controlled. AQUARIUS is a project which compiled the history of alien presence and their interaction with Homo Sapiens upon this planet for the last 25,000 years and culminating with the Basque people who live in the mountainous country on the border of France an~ Spain and the Syrians .. GARNET is the project responsible for control of all infor­ , mation and documents regarding this subject and accountability of the information and documents. . PLUTO is a project to evaluate all UFO/lAC information per­ taining to space, tel [TRANSMISSION GARBLED] , POUNCE the project formed to recover all downed/crashed craft and aliens. REDLIGHT is the ,project to test recovered alien craft. It is conducted at AREA 51 (DREAMLAND) in Nevada. It was aided when the aliens gave us craft and helped us fly them. The initial project was som~what successful in that we flew a recovered craft, but it blew up in the air, and the pilots were killed. The project was suspended at that time until the aliens agreed to help us. SNOWBIRD was 'established as a cover for project REDLIGHT., Several flying saucer ,type craft were built using conventional technology. They were unveiled to the press and flown in front of the press. The purpose was to explain accidental sightings or disclo­ sure of REDLIGHT as having been the SNOWBIRD craft. LUNA is the alien base ori the far side of the Moon. It was seen and filmed by the Apollo ,astronauts. A base, a mining operation using very large machines, and the very alien craft described in sighting reports as MOTHER SHIPS exist there. NRO is the National Recon Organization based at Fort Carson, Colorado. It is r~sponsible for security for all alien or alien craft connected projects. DELTA is the designation for the specific arm of the NRO, which is especially trained and tasked with security of these projects. JOSHUA is a project to develop a low frequency pulsed sound ~enerating weapon. It was said that this weapon would be effective against the alien craft and beam weapons. EXCALIBUR is a weapon to destroy the alien underground bases. It is to be a missile capable of penetrating 1000 meters of Tuff/hard packed soil such as that found in New Mexico with no operational damage. Missile apogee not to exceed 30,000 feet AGL and impact must not deviate in excess of 50 meters from designated ~arget. The device will carry a one-megaton nuclear warhead. ALIENS: There were four types of altens mentioned in the papers. A LARGE NOSED GREY with whom we have the treaty, the GREY reported in abductee cases that works for the LARGE NOSED GREY, 'a blond human like type described as the NORDIC, a red haired human like type called the ORANGE. The home of ,the'aliens were described as being a star in the Constellation of Orion, Barnards star, and Zeta Riticuli 1&2. I cannot remember even under hypnosis which alien belongs to which star. EBE is the name or designation given to the live alien cap­ tured at the 1949 Roswell crash. He died in captivity. KRLL OR KRLLL OR CRLL OR CRLLL pronounced Crill or Krill was the hostage lef,t with us at the first Holloman landing as a' that the aliens would carry out their part of the basic agreement reached during that meeting. ' KRLL gave us the foundation of the yellow book which was completed by the guests at a later date. KRLL became sick and was nursed by Dr. G. Mendoza who became Page'IS of21 ARMS Email System Page 15 of21 ARMS E]llail System Page 16 of21 .' . the expert on alien biology and medicine. KRLL later died. His information ,was disseminated under the pseudonym O.H. eril or Crill. GUESTS were aliens exchanged for humans who gave us the bal­ ance of the yellow book. ' At the time I saw the information there were only three left alive. They, were called (P&# 's) Alien Life Forms. [TRANSMISSION GARBLED] RELIGION The aliens claim to have created Homo Sapiens through hy­ , bridization. The papers said that RH-blood was proof of this. They further claimed to have created all four major reli­ gions. They showed a hologram of the crucifixion of Christ which the government filmed. They claim that Jesus was created by them. ALIEN BASES exist in the four corners area of Utah, Col orado, New Mexico, and Nevada. Six bases were described in the 1972 papers, all on Indian reservations and, all in the four corners area. The' base near, Dulce was one of them. MURDER The documents stated that many ,military and government per­ sonnel had been terminated (mqrdered without due process of law) when they had attempted tO,reveal the secret. CRAFT RECOVERIES The documents stated that many craft had been recovered. The early.. ones from Roswell, Aztec, Roswell again, Texas, Mexico, and other places. GENERAL DOOLITTLE made a prediction that one day we would have to reckon ,with the aliens, and the document stated that it appeared that General Doolittle was correct. ABDUCTIONS were occurring long before 1.972. The,document stated that humans and animals were being ab­ ducted and or mutilated. Many vanished without a trace.' They were taking sperm and ova samples, tissue, performed surgical operations, implanted a spherical device 40 to 80'mi':' crons in size near the optic nerve in the brain and all attempts to remove it resulted in the death of the patient. The document estimated that one in every 40 people had been implanted. . This implant was said to give the aliens total control of . that human. CONTINGENCY PLAN SHOULD THE INFORMATION'BECOME PUBLIC OR SHOULD THE ALIENS ATTEMPT A TAKEOVER. This plan called for a public announcement that a terrorist group had entered the United States with an atomic weapon. It would be announced that the terrorists planned to deto­ nate the weapon in a major city. Martial law would be declared and all persons with'implants would be rounded up along with all dissidents and would be placed into concentration camps. The press, radio, and TV would be nationalized and con­ trolled. 'Anyone attempting to resist would· be arrested or killed. CONTINGENCY PLAN TO CONTAIN OR DELAY RELEASE OF INFORMATION This plan called for the use of MAJESTIC TWELVE as a disin­ formation ploy to de~ay and confuse the release of information should anyone get close to the truth. It was selected because of the similarity of spelling' and the similarity to MJ-12. It was designed to confuse memory and to result in ;;I. fruit­ less search for material that does not exist. SOURCE OF MATERIAL CONTAINED IN THE DOCUMENTS WHICH I SAW The source of the, material was an Office of Naval Intelli­ gence counter-intelligence operation against MJ-12 in order for the Navy to find out the truth of what was really going.on. The Navy (at that, time or at least the Navy that I worked ARMS Email System Page 16 of21 ARMS E~ail System . . . for) were not participants in any of this. The different services and the government conduct this type of operation against each other all the time. The result of this operation was that the Navy cut them­ selves in for a piece of the action (technology) and control of some projects. As you can see this file is only a little different from my previous file. Only some names were scrambled previously to confuse the government long enough for someone to verify that what I have said is the truth. I have' added information in this file that puts me in ,abso­ lute danger. I have sent a copy of this file to people allover the coun­ try and wili continu'e to do so. ' Please get this file into as many hands as you can and maybe that will protect me but I doubt it. HISTORY WILL BE THE JUDGE, OF ME AND THIS INFORMATION, AND I HAVE NO FEAR OF THAT JUDGEMENT. I SWEAR THAT THIS INFORMATION IS TRUE AND CORRECT TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE. I wish to thank all those people who have aided me in reach­ ing this point and for their patience and understanding. lowe you all more than I' can ever 'repay. Finally, it does not matter who is right and who is wrong or if a project name is in the wrong place. ' It does not matter who working for whom or what is really what. It should be obvious by now that something sinister and ter­ ribly wrong is going on involving the: government and UFO phe­ nomenon. We must all band together and expose it now. I have don~ my part in the best manner that I could. I can add nothing else except my testimony in Congress or a court of law that what I saw and have written ,in this file is true and that I saw it. Everything in my previous* file that does not conflict with this file is' true and correct to the best of my knowledge and some of it is from sources .and research. You may combine the files to get the entire picture. Throw out only that information that conflicts with that contained in this file. There will be no further additions or corrections to this information either now or in the future. My file is complete and stands to be judged by history. Sometime in the ,future the exact papers that I saw will sur­ face, and you will all see this exact information contained within them. Milton William Cooper Jan. io, 1989 =20 '=20 Appendix B: For More Information Cooper's, home address and phone number: 1311 S. Highland #205 Fullerton, Calif. 92632 1-714 680-9537 That phone number connects you to an anonymous answering machine. This information was taken from the Bill Cooper answering com­ puter on 1-213-281-8222.. For materials and bibliography, send $2 (no mention made of to whom you should make' out the check) and a 45-cent self-addressed stamped envelope to: 19744 Beach Blvd. Suite #301 ARMS Email System Page 17 of21 Page 17 of21 I R)v1S Email System Page 18 of21 lntington Beach, Calif. 92648 talk to someone .... ..-_ .. or available mat~rials, call . an Barrington at He'll even call you back . ,re's wHat he had to offer as per. my phone .conversation with him I Feb. 27, 1990: Ie real Kennedy assassination -tape, $18. This is the unedited Zapruder film that clearly shows the driver killing JFK. On VHS tape. deo of Cooper speech and workshop from Sedona, Ariz., $32. This is a videotaped speech and workshop from Cooper that also shows the Kennedy tape (not. very clearly, though). r think this is basically the same deal as the above tran­ script. On VHS tape. :ecret Government," $12. Details, in 28 pages, the workings of the secret subgovernmerit in the U.S. since 1947. )peration Majority," $12. Details the goings on and structure of Operation Majority, the people who run all UFO-related ac­ tivities. 'ason Society," $12. List of 51 scientists, last updated in 1987, who work for . Operation Majority. The group is still trying to find the last three scientists who are Jason Soci­ ety members. lr any of the above, send a check to: ) invite :ott Reid )oper's be on TV, call Jeff Patterson or lrrington says that the target date for one-world government is 192. ( loper was in Atlanta on Feb. 25.' For. information. call ...Bam ltthews at lis is the journalist whom Cooper mentions in his Operatiorr Ma­ lrity file. This person supposedly can verify the facts: my Pelham \s Vegas Bullet )0 West Boston lS Vegas, Nevada 89102 )r the book Alien Magic by William Hamilton, which has all kinds : picture,s from a secret lab, write: =20 Appendix C: Musings There is some thought that the U.S. Air Force, in conjunc­ .on with the Canadians, has standing orders to deny any UFO .ghtings to the public. Timothy Good, in his book Above Top Secret, states: :ooperation between the United States and Canada in the r.eport 19 of UFOs was laid down, for example, in the Canadian-United :ates Communications Instructions for Reporting Vital Intelli­ ~nce Sightings (CIRVIS) JANAP 146 (E), issued in,March 1966 by 'Ie Joint Chiefs of Staff as well as the Canadian Defense Staff. RMS Email System Page 18 of21 \~S~!)1ail System This publication lists instructions for the reporting of 'information of vital importance to the security of the United States of America and Canada and their forces, which in the opin­ ion of the observer, requires very urgent defensive and/or inves­ tigative action by the .S. and/or Canadian armed forces.' Sight ings within the scope of JANAP 146 include 'Unidentified Flying Objects' as distinct from 'Hostile of unidentified single air­ craft or formations of aircraft,' and t~ere are lengthy and elab­ 'orate instructions for reporting UFOs" (Good, 192). And later he states: "Because of, reports like these [UFOs], airline pilots became subject to military restrictions contained in a Joint Army-Navy-Air Force Publication (JANAP), drawn up by the Joint Communications-Electronics committee, and promulgated , by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and could thus find themselves li­ able to a prison term of up to 10 years and/or a fine of $10,'000 if they discussed their sightings with the media or public" (Good, 283). * * * Stan Barrington offers a document about "Operation Majority, which concerns the dealings of MJ-12. The following discussion, taken from the alt.conspiracy section of, Usenet, focuses on tqe validity of those documents: "What is the latest status of the MJ-12 documents (concerning authenticity)? I know that Klass did his usual de­ bunking job, but also read that Friedman produced all the sup­ porting evidence Klass had demanded (similar typefaces in use on other documents of the same era, etc.). Has the U.S. Government taken a formal position on the MJ-i2 documents? What evidence, pro and con, has been produced on the authenticity issue since their release. What are the "details of the release? Any and ail information will be appreciated. Thanks." The reply was: "I don't know about the U,S. Government's position, but Klass has done a pretty good job of showing that there is at least some fraud in ,the papers. In particular, he has shown that the supposed signature of Harry Truman on one of the critical papers is identical to the signature on anot,her document in the National Archives, except that it's (if I recall correctly) 3.6 percent larger. It is impossible for two signatures to be identical unless one is a photographic copy of the other, and interestingly, most copying machines do ~ very small expansion of what they copy to prevent edge effects--a blow-up of exactly 1.2 percent. So it would appear this supposed signature is actuailya third-generation photocopy of Truman's signature. Handwriting experts have confirmed this. I believe it's written up in the current (Spring 1990) Skeptical Inquirer, but I can't find my copy at the moment so I can't say for sure." I don't know who Klass or Friedman are, (although Friedman may be the same person that was mentioned as a in Majestic by Whitley Strieber, and also mentioned as a government official in the speech) but the ~keptical Inquirer is a respected paranor­ mal debunking newspaper put out by James "the Amazing" Randi. It also seems to me that the idea that Truman's signature is a photocopy of another one in the National Archives is a bit odd. There must be thousands of Truman signature in the Archives, and thinking, that someone could find the one that exactly matched a 3.6 percent enlargement is laughable (but then again, those same people find the idea of a huge UFO cover-up laughable). * * * Whitley Strieber is a strange character in this whole af­ fair. He is the writer of Wolfen and The Howling, two horror novels. Lately, he turned to writing about UFOs. His first book on the subject, Communion, deals with his personal experiences 'with abduction by an unknown intelligence (Strieber always tries to avoid the word "alien," so he can leave the options open that these are humans that are traveling through time or even an unknown earthly intelligence). His second book, Transformation, is not as familiar to me, but I have heard that ARMS Email System Page 19 of21 Page 19 of21 ARMS E!,llail System , "") IP • it is more of the same as Communion, exce'pt that it is less well supported and deals with a sort religion of the unknown. Strieber contends in that book that the "others" (as he calls them) gave him a sketchy design for,an anti-gravity motor that relies on rotating magnets. His third book is Majestic. Milton William Cooper mentions it in his This book follows the Cooper speech closely in many regards; in fact, sometimes it seems like one is stealing =66rom the other because they are so close. Strieber writes this book as fiction, but ,at the end there is a section in which he says that, the book is based on truth'and that the government is hiding information' from the public. He insists that this truth must be brought out. However, Cooper says that Strieberis work­ ing for the gov,ernment. ,He offers some proof to this claim, but he doesn't really say why the government would hire Strieber to write Majestic, or whether he was hired before he wrote Communion and Transformation. All Cooper,says is that Strieber'is testing the waters', leaking the information in a way that the government could deny. I think that if Strieber works for the government, then it is mostly because the government thinks that people will not believe anything he writes about UFOs, given his history'of writing horror. Thus, the government Strieber write some­ thing that is based on truth, and everyone thinks it is com'ing =66rom such a bad source that it must be false. =20 * * * This from Keith Rowell in Oregon: "You folks interested in Strieber's claim~ should check out the book Report on Communion (Morrow, 989) by Ed Conroy. "Conroy is a San Antonio-based reporter who wrote some early articles for the loc~l newspaper and then continued to' explore and investigate till he ended up w~th a book. He basi~ cally concludes that S~rieber,' s claims are true as far as we now understand the UFO phenomenon, which is very far from adequate at this time. (The 'scholarly and,scientific establishment has yet to honestly and openly embrace the problem of the UFO. Conroy's book is opening the way for the ive media people, though. are changing as the UFO issue just refuses to go away.) You will all hear more and more about the real'ity status of UFOs as we go through the,1990s. Intelligence establishment secrecy is being slowly broken down and the scientific/scholarly community is slowly putting up less resistance as the years go by. liMy are based on 15 years of the UFO liter- ature,and four years or so, of more or participation' in the UFO community. It is very hard to understand what is go­ ing on in the UFO community without paying very close attention to it. The normal sources of news and information cover this 3rouP of in .a very inconsistent and sometimes downright biased way. You're just going to have tQ get your feet wet on this onej otherwise, you'll just being talking through your hat. "I'll be happy to send via electronic my representative UFO bibliography to anyone who wants it. , new (and sig­ nificant) UFO books are add~d practically monthly in the past few years. UFOs are hot again. We seem to be in a peak of activity again. "The latest significant book is ~y Ed walters on his Gulf­ breeze UFO/photograph, experiences, being distributed to your 10­ cal bookstores as I ,write this." --Boundary_[ID_rlvancrnxEqZ4tgon40qzZgl ­ ==================== ATTACHMENT ,1 ==================== ATTCREATION TIME/DATE:ll~MAY-1997 08:13:00.00 ATT BODYPART TYPE:D TEXT: ARMS Email Sy~tem Page 20 of21 Page 20 of21 Page 21 of21 ARMS Email System ".,'It ,. r RFC-822-headers: Received: from conversion.pmdf.eop.gov by PMDF.EOP.GOV (PMDF VS.0-4 #6879) id <0IIIQIWSLLDS0021CO@PMDF.EOP.GOV>i Sun, 11 May 1997 08:13:,39 0500 (EST) Received: from storm.eop.gov (storm.eop.gov) by PMDF.EOP.GOV (PMDF V5.0-4 #6879)id <01I:j:QIWPP3SW002CIB@PMDF.EOP.GOV>; Sun, 11 May 1997 08: : 35 -0500 (EST) Received: from WhiteHouse .gov ([198.l37. 241. 30]) by STORM.EOP.GOV (PMDF VS.l 7 #6879) with ESMTP id <01IIQIWOS9E6000WUZ@STORM.EOP.GOV>; Sun, . 11 May 1997 08:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received:. (from uucp@localhost) by WhiteHouse.gov '(8.7.1/uucp~ id lAAlS884; Sun, 11 May 1997 08:11:40 -0400 (EDT) ================== END ATTACHMENT 1 ================== ARMS Email, System Page 21 of21 All-MS Etnail System Page 1 of2 RECORD TYPE: PRESIDENTIAL (ALL-IN-1 MAIL) CREATOR: Kyle M. Baker ( BAKER_K) (WHO) CREATION DATE/TIME:24-JUN-1997 14:17:29.57 SUBJECT: AIR FORCE SAYS DUMMIES USED IN PARACHUTE TESTS WERE TO: Leanne I. Johnson JOHNSON L ) Autoforward to: Remote Addres'see READ: NOT READ CC: Diane Ikemiyashiro IKEMIYASHI D ) Autoforward to: Remote Addressee READ: NOT READ TEXT: Date: 06/24/97 Time: 13:40 UAir Force says dummies used in parachute tests were mistaken for WASHINGTON (AP) The Air Force today offered what it hopes is the final word on claims by UFO buffs that alien bodies were recovered at a crash site in New Mexico in 1947: The --bodies" were not aliens but dummies used, in tests. The explanation on the eve of the 50th anniversary of the incident is offered in enormous detail in a 231-page report the Air Force released today. It is meant to close the book on rumors that the Air Force recovered a flying saucer and extraterrestrial bodies near Roswell, N.M., in July 1947, and then covered it up. immediately pointed 'out a discrepancy. The parachute tests occurred years after the Roswell incident. The Air Force theorized that those who saw the dummies were confused over the dates. Deon Crosby, director of the International UFO Museum and Research Center in Roswell, said the report raises more questions than it an'swers. She said pictures of the Air Force dummies look like mannequins, and if that's what they were --what does it say about the people in the military who can't tell the difference between mannequins and bodies?" The title of the report tells it all: --The Roswell Report, Case Closed. ' , ~ The Air Force in 1994 issued a report on the Roswell incident that'said the --spacecraft" that supposedly crashed in the New Mexico desert was an Air Force'balloon used in a top-secret' program, Project Mogul, intended to monitor the atmosphere for evidence of Soviet nuclear tests. The Air Force called that report its final response to the Roswell rumors. But later the Air Force came upon evidence it believed would explain the additional rumors that space aliens were recovered at the crash site and were covered up. So today's report was put together to provide what Air Force Secretary Sheila widnall called a --complete and open explanation. " The possibility of a ,government conspiracy to cover up an actual UFO was ridiculed today by retired Air Force Col. Richard Weaver, who wrote the 1994 report. --I don't think the government is of putting t'oge_ther a decent conspiracy," Weaver said on NBC 's --Today' I show. --We have a hard time keeping a secret, let alone putting together a decent conspiracy. ' , ' Asked if he thought the new report will put the matter to rest, Weaver said, --No, I doubt it. This has become a religion to many people. It's almost a cult. Certainly an unbelievable financial opportunity for many folks. So I think this is going to endure. I I Although the Air Force's explanation of a mix-up of parachute dummies for space aliens seems reasonable, there is one aspect that troubles some UFO researchers: The tests with the dummies came about a decade after the 1947 Roswell incident. Did those who claimed to have seen the --aliens' I mix up their dates that badly? --I think this is a real stretch," said Karl Pflock, a UFO researcher in New Mexico who said he does not believe the Roswell incident involved alien spacecraft. In its report today, the Air Force offered little elaboration on ARMS Email System Page 1 of2 AaMS Email System the theory of the mix-ups in dates other than speculation that events in the 1940s and 1950s "have been consolidated'! in the. minds of some who claim to have been witnesses. "It appears that UFO proponents have failed to establish the accurate dates for these 'alien' observations in some instances by more than a decade and then erroneously I inked them' , . to 'the actual recovery of Project Mogul debris, the report said. The life-size dummies were used in high-altitude parachute drops from 1954 to 1959 as part of Air Force projects code-named High Dive and Excelsior. The,object was to devise a way to return a pilot or astronaut to earth by parachute if forced to .escape at extremely high altitudes. The dummies were transported to altitudes up to 98,000 feet by balloons and then released. Balloons dropped 67 dummies throughout New Mexico in the 1954-59 period. The majority of them landed outside the confines of military bases in eastern New Mexico, near Roswell, according to the Air Force report. The dummies had a skeleton of aluminum or steel, skin of latex or plastic, a cast aluminum skull, and an instrument cavity in the torso and head. The Air Force said the existence of such dummies was not widely known outside of scientific circles and "easily could have been mistaken for something they were not. " Today such dummies are widely used in auto crash tests. APNP-06-24-97 1356EDT Page 2 0[2 ARMS Email System Page 2 0[2 ARMS Email System Page 1 of 15 . R£CORD TYPE: PRESIDENTIAL (NOTES MAIL) CREATOR: Brian D. Smith ( CN=Brian D.Smith/OU=WHO/O=EOP [ WHO ] ) CREATION DATE/TIME:30-JUN-1997 11:10:42.00 SUBJECT: ABC: This Week, 6/29/97 TO: Michae.1 B. Waitzkin ( CN==Michael B. Waitzkin/OU=WHO/O=EOP @, EOP [ WHO] ) READ:UNKNOWN ·TO: Robert N. Weiner ( CN=Robert N. weiner/OU=WHO/O=EOP @ EOP [; WHO] ) READ:UNKNOWN TO: Karen A. Popp ( CN=Karen A. 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Breuer ( CN=Lanny A. Breuer/OU=WHO/O=EOP @ EOP [ WHO] ) READ:UNKNOWN TEXT: ----F~rwarded by Brian D. Smith/WHO/EOP o~ 06/30/97 11:10 AM ------------------------- Dag Vega 06/30/97 11:07:12 AM Record Type: Record TO: See the distribution list at the bottom of this message cc: Subject: ABC: This Week, 6/29/97 ABC - -THIS WEEK' I AIRED ON SUNDAY, JUNE 29, 1997 \ ARMS Email System Page 1 of15 ARMS Email System HOSTS: SAM DONALDSON & GEORGE WILL GUESTS: WAYNE LAPIERRE, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT,NRA SARAH BRADY, CHAIR, HANDGUN CONTROL INSTITUTE JAMES MCANDREWS, CAPTAIN, U.S. AIR FORCE RESERVE Page 2 of IS ANNOUNCER: From ABC News, "This Week, " with Cokie Roberts, Sam Donaldson, featuring David Brinkley and George will. MR. DONALDSON: This week, the Supreme Court strikes down part of the Brady gun law, ruling that states cannot be forced to conduct background checks of prospective gun buyers. REP. CHARLES SCHUMER (D-NY): (From videotape.) I.t is a victory for the mugger, it is a victory for the gun dealer and it'is a defeat for law-abiding citizens everywhere. \. JIM FOTIS (Law Enforcement Alliance): (From videotape.) This law was nothing than more than political posturing and meaningless rhetoric. It hasn't done a thing to help law enforcement. MR. DONALDSON: Is there a new battle brewing over gun control? We'll ask Sarah Brady, an outspoken advocate of handgun control; and Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association. And this week, the Pe'ntagon tries to put· an end to 50 years of questions about whether a UFO really crashed near Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947. COL. JOHN HAYNES (U. S'. Air Force): Bodies observed in the New Mexico desert were probably test dummies that were carried aloft by U.S. Air Force high-altitude balloons for scientific research. MR. DONALDSON: But the true believers are not satisfied. CITIZEN: This is the third story the Air Force has come up within 50 years. Our story hasn't changed. MR. DONALDSON: In the Roswell incident" is it really case closed? We'll ask Captain Jim McAndrew, the author of the Air Force report, who spent three years researching the event at Roswell. And our roundtable. No flying saucers or ex~raterrestr'ials here with Bill Kristol, George Stephanopbulos and Linda Douglass. Welcome to' our program. Cokie is off. Her son Lee is ,getting married,' and 'we wish everyone the very best. Well, there is some other news today. Shortly we'll go live to Las Vegas for the latest on last night's incident in which Mike Tyson bit off a bit of Evander Holyfield's ear. But first, we're on the eve of the transfer of sovereignty to China of Hong Kong, ending 156 years of British rule. And Peter Jennings is there. Peter joins us live today from Hong Kong. . , Peter, exactly where are you standing? And how are things going for the transfer? PETER JENNINGS (ABC News): Well, they're going very And as you can see, we didn't come for this, Sam, but it is one of the great photo ops of all time. We're on the Hong Kong side of what is clearly the most celebrated harbor in the world, and that is the Hong Kong side as seen . from the other. And right down there in the lower left~hand corner of your frame is the center where 'the hand-over is ,actually going to take place. This harbor, this deep-water harbor which the'British have found so useful for their navy for more than a century has only a couple of British 'ships left in it, including tonight a rather small one. The royal yacht Britannia is her.e just at our feet, where Prince Charles is staying and which will take him,and the last governor of Hong Kong, Chris Patton, into the dark tomorrow night, a dewy-eyed occasion for a great number of people here. But it's much more important than that, as you know. MR. DONALDSON: Peter, we journalists are ,often accused of looking for trouble, so I'll ask the question: are there any demonstrations tomorrow? The turnover happens at midnight. And what do you make of the fact that China is sending in regular army troops shortly after the turnover? MR, JENNINGS: Sam, let me deal with the second part' first, less important what I make of it than what the Hong Kong peopl,e make of it. think people generally, Sam, have been much calmer about the People'S Liberation Army coming in here 4,000 strong. They know that it's part of the agreement, they know there are going to be fewer troops here than the British actually had at one point. They think the Chinese on the mainland have been a little insensitive by deciding to send in armored personnel carriers,' but quite frankly, the headlines about the Chinese army coming .in here are somewhat fervent at ' ARMS Email System Page 2 of15 I ARMS Email System home than they are here. Under the basic agreement between the's Republic of China and Hong Kong, it will be the Hong Kong police who keep order here, and so at least everybody I have talked to, in all walks of life, takes it the army is a show of sovereignty by the Chinese government, an attempt to say we've arrived and this is the way it is'. Now, as to demonstrations tomorrow night, yes, there are going to be some, of course. Some of the most ardent democrats have said they will demonstrate against the dissolution of the elected legislature here and the Chinese coming. But again, I think it's a pragmatic demonstration tomorrow, wanting to use the world's spotlight, but not wanting to take undue advantage of it. MR. DONALDSON: Peter, sum up in just two or three sentences what this transfer mea'ns to the United States. MR. JENNINGS: Well, I think for us it" s the litmus test of the U.S.-Chinese relationship in Asia. It's the most important reiationship we have in Asia, if not,the most important one in the world at the moment. And I think everybody will look to what happens here to see whether or not the Chinese actually keep an agreement. And if something can be accomplished here, then who knows what's about Taiwan? That's what the Chinese government certainly has in mind. And who knows what can happen about Korea? And as the U.S.-Chinese relationship gets ever more important, this is a place to see if they keep their word. MR. DONALDSON: Thank you very much, 'Peter. We'll be seeing you soon. Peter anchors our coverage tomorrow, with a special edition of "Good Morning America," and continuing at 11:00 a.m. with the live ceremonies. Well, what' a $cene it was last night in Las Vegqs. It wasn't so much a heavyweight championship fight as it was a championship bite. In the third round, challenger Mike Tyson bit off a portion of champion Evander Holyfield's ear. See that. Look at that. The referee called a temporary halt and warned Tyson about his conduct. The fight resumed, and Tyson took another bite at Holyfield's ear. And the referee stopped the fight and awarded the decision to Holyfield. A melee in the ring, and guests stampeded out of the hotel. MIKE T.YSON: (From videotape.) He kept going down and coming up, and he charged into me. EVANDER HOLYFIELD: (From videotape.) Why do you have to bite somebody? If you feel that you could whoop me, why you can't whoop me with the gloves on? MR. DONALDSON: Well, that's a good question. Joining us live now from Las Vegas is ABC's Armen Keteyian. Armen, why did he do it? ARMEN KETEYIAN (ABC News): Well, I think Tyson said, Sam, it was in retaliation. He said in the second round of the fight, Holyfield had head-butted him much like he did in the first last November. He sliced open Tyson'S right eye, And Tyson was outraged and irate that Mills Lane, the referee, didn't do anything about it, so he deciqed to take matters into his own hands -or actually, into his own mouth. MR. DONALDSON: Well, Armen, right after that melee that we saw erupt in the ring, everyone erupted from the hotel, there was a great, huge commotion. All h-e-you-know-what broke out. Tell us about that. You were there. MR. KETEYIAN: There was some pretty 'serious stuff, Sam. The chaos in the ring, was masked by the chaos and pandemonium and panic in the casino. There were some widespread reports that both the local police and the highway patrol, that there were gunfire --gunshots inside the casino shortly after the fight. The MGM Grand says no, no" it was champagne bottles dropping or beer bottles. What's not in is that there were several fights inside the casino. That triggered a stampede out the front door, thousands of people trying ,to flee the casino at one time, 24 people injured, several of them seriously, 1 person reportedly with a heart attack. Another woman who we talked to said she was tramp.led on the way out, flipped over a guardrail. Another woman who we spoke to said she had been ,hit face down into\the concrete. So they closed the casino for two hours. There were SWAT teams, or not SWAT teams, but local police and paramedics allover the place. And the casino at this point is just starting to get back to normal, MR. DONALDSON: Wow. Talk about your Las Vegas spectaculars. Very quickly now, what happens to Mike Tyson now? MR. KETEYIAN: Well, what happens short-term is on Tuesday, the Nevada ~thletic Commission is going to hold a hearing, an emergency hearing. Page 3 of15 ) ARMS Email System Page 3 of 15 ARMS Email System Page 4 of 15 ·They're to find out .whether there is cause. They've already suspended him, they've already withheld his $30-million purse pending this hearing. They're going to decide whether, there's enough basis' ,to permanently suspend Tyson. And Tyson will have a chance to repeal and go before the committee or the association if indeed they're going to do it. MR. DONALDSON: Thank you very much, Armen Keteyian, from Las Vegas. Thanks. Coming next, a debate over the future of the Brady g"un control law with Sarah Brady, the chair of Handgun Control and the wife ~of James Brady, whom the bill was named; and Wayne LaPierre, the execudive vice president of the National Rifle Association. ' And later, we'll have an exclusive interview with Jim McAndrew, who wrote the Air Force's report on alleged UFO sightings at Roswell. (Announcements. 1 MR. DONALDSON: Here with us now is Sarah Brady, head of Gun Control, Incorporated; and Wayne LaPierre of the NRA. And joining me in the questioning, as always, is George will, and also ABC News Justice Department Correspondent Linda Douglass. Welcome to both of you. MS. BRADY: Thank you. MR. LAPIERRE: Thank you. MR. DONALDSON: Glad to see you. Ms. Brady, does what the Supreme Court did in striking down the provision which requi.res local law enforcement officers to conduct background checks, does that seriously impair the and what the law intended? MS. BRADY: Not at all, no. We're that it wasn't upheld in total, but a majority of the law was. We still ha~e the waiting period, . the rest of the law is intact, and nationwide law enforcement fought for this piece of legislation. They're going to continue, for the most part, to run background checks. MR. DONALDSON: Well, Mr. LaPierre, you opposed the bill when it was passing through Congress. Do you know feel that what you opposed has been satisfied, or do you still think it's an undesirable law? 'MR. LAPIERRE: Well, Sam, we felt that if the check was going to be carried out and be constitutional, it had to, be carried out at the national level. I mean, there "s a lot of hiding behind phony statistics on this. They don't have 186,000 felons or 250,000, felons. TheY've got a lot of John Smiths confused with John Smiths. If they don't have that, you in the media ought to join with us and demand they start prosecuting people. They've only prosecuted, U.S. attorneys, seven people, according·to the General Accounting Office, and jailed three in four years. I mean, is law enforcemet:lt, U.S. attorneys giving all those felons a pass.. saying just go home? I mean, credit card companies are tougher on someone that overdraws their credit card than they're being on these so-called felons. We need to get the instant check on line nationally. That's the way to do it. The NRA will support it. ,It's a better system, and let's do it. MR. DONALDSON: Are you saying the problem was overblown, that there aren't that many people out there who shouldn't have handguns who would :Jet them? MR. LAPIERRE: I'm saying the statistics you're hearing in the press and from the are not accurate. If they are, why aren't :itqey prosecuting them? Most of those are simply clerical errors. And there's not a technology problem on putting tliis technology on line. ~ook, I mean this is the age of the Internet. You have laptops on airplanes. You have kids running around with computers and video games where the technology'S more complicated than what it would take to get some of these records at .the state level off of paper and computerizing them. And that's the only way you get a check. MR. DONALDSON: Ms. Brady, is he right, the statistics are sort of all overblown here? MS. BRADY: Not at all. In the first , background checks nationwide have stopped over 250,000 people from purchasing guns. What he is talking about is how many prosecutions for people who lied on their form. That's not what this law was intended to do. It was to stop 250,000 felons or fugitives or kids from being able to buy guns. It's preventing the purchase before it is made, and it's very wise to do. ' The instantaneous ,check system, when it up and going along with the background check, will be'fine. But it's far from being ready and going, and it has nothing to do with the national software or anything of that type. It's the fact that the states around the country, many; of them, are just not up to date and are unable to get their criminal record history ARMS Email System Page 4 of 15 .. ARMS Email System updated "and computerized. MR. LAPIERRE: But MR. DONALDSON: Let's let George get in here. MR. WILL: Well, before going on to the next question, respond to Ms. Brady's point about those numbers. MR. LAPIERRE: Sarah, I'm all --we're all for --the NRA is all for the check, but that argument just doesn't wash. I mean, that is the, simplest technology we have available. You simply take the records off paper and computerize them, If we don't do that, even if there is a check at the local level, police officers are on their hands and knees going through. paper files. ' MS. BRADY: But in states like West Virginia, where they're still in shoeboxes, it's taking time to ,get them up. That's -­ MR. LAPIERRE: Congress has appropriated a half a billion dollars to get it done. MR. WILL: Mr. LaPierre, let's not talk about the technology for a moment. Let's talk about Ms. Brady's point,which is that yournumbe~ that seven have been prosecuted ?nd three convicted, is not the relevant question. The question is how many·felons have been stopped from getting guns? Do you dispute her measure of the effectiveness of the law? MR. LAPIERRE: Well, I would say, . unless you'prosecute, you probably haven't stopped any, because almost all felons buy their guns illegally anyway. And the few that are dumb enough to go into a gun store -­ ,MS. BRADY: Now Wayne ... MR. LAPIERRE: -:-and get flagged, if you don't prosecute them, they're simply going and getting a gun illegally and about committing their crime, We are in favor of the check. I'll join with Sarah. And. I've already talked to Speaker Gingrich and Majority Leader Lott. They're willing to meet this week, go down to the WhiteHouse. Let's go down together and let's do whatever it takes to get the national instant ,check' on line. It's the only way under the Supreme Court decision there will be a ch~ck. . MR. WILL: Ms. Brady, what is your position? What do they qo when they're turned away at the gun dealer? Do say, "Heck, I can't get a gun, " and go home? MS. BRADY: That's exactly what happens and --except for the ones in which --and there have been many prosecutions of this type.-"where there is a felony warrant out for their arrest and that's discovered at that point. Then this is not an arrest, on Brady bill line on the form. is where you discover during the background check,so~and-so has 1 they're wanted for murder or domestic abuse or something, and they are then arrested and prosecuted. And there have been numerous of these that have happened, and is a totally different type of prosecution. MR. LAPIERRE: I agree with that. The only way you'll get yourself prosecuted, the way it's been working, is if the U.S. attorneys want you for something el.se., Then they'll prosecute you, but that's· not good enough. MS. BRADY: And that's what but the purpose of the background check is very simple. It is to stop illegal purchases, and. that's what it has been doing. It does no more or no less. MS. DOUGLASS: Mr. I:.aPierre', what is your opposition in the first place or the grounds for the opposition to the five-day waiting period? Why is it so important for someone.to be able·to go down and immediately get 'a gun? MR. LAPIERRE: Well, under every scenario, including the Brady bill, keep in mind, the wait disappears. It.was simply an interim measure. But the best is an example in Virginia, where you had a woman wh9se ex-boyfriend said he was going to kill her. She went out that day,bought a gun through the instant check; she was checked out and she, was .a law-abiding citizen. That night, he broke down her door, tried to kill her, came at her with a machete. She saved her life by having a gun ..You had another, a 911 call in L.A., where a woman called 911 ani:l said my . ex-boyfriend's trying to kill me. They said over the tape on 911, "We can't do anything until he gets there." Well, ·he got there and he killed her. MS. DOUGLASS: So which of the concerns is most important,' the ability to immediately get a'gun to protect yourself, forget the police -­ MR. LAPIERRE: That's pretty important. MS. DOUGLASS: --or the ability to keep a gun out of the hands of a criminal? MR. LAPIERRE: Well, the way you do that is the national instant check. Under the Supreme Court decision, it's the only way we're going to have a Page 5 of15 ARMS Email System Page 5 of15 ARMS Email System check. The NRA supports it. Majority Leader Lott supports it. Gingrich supports it. The only one dragging their feet is the Justice Department and the White House, for some reason. And congreSis has already . "appropriated a quarter of a billion dollars .to carry it out. MS. BRADY: And, most of it has been disbursed. MS. DOUGLASS: But Ms. Brady, in fact, the police probably would benefit well, would they not, from an instant check? Do they really take the five days and use all that time to find out everything about the police, the busy police --everything about someone who wants to buy a gun? MS. BRADY: I think it's a wonderful --it will be a topnotch tool for law enforcement to have an instantaneous check. But in addition --that is not going to be sufficient to run a really good comprehensive background check. It won't have medical records. Criminal mental patients won't be up and going on it. We need I think they need -in addition they're going to need several days .. I don't think it --not necessarily has to be the full five days. MS. DOUGLASS: Well, what do you want to do in the interim? You want to propose some legislation to put the onus on the gun dealer to do a . background check? MS. BRADY: The onus, we hope, is on --I mean, law enforcement wants to do it, wants to do--and we don't k~ow yet what kind of legislation we're going to propose. But I do want to say one thing about a waiting period. It has always been in Brady, in law, anyone who is in any danger whatsoever can waive --the waiting period can be waived and they are able to get a gun that day. So that is a --that's a red herring. That doesn't affect it. MR. LAPIERRE: But try getting that gun if someone's trying to kill you. But the point the bottom line is, until you computerize these records, when a police officer pulls someone over right now, forget the! gun check, on an interstate highway in the middle of the night and punches into his machine, he's not getting that data. And the people that were opposed -­ MS. BRADY: Oh,'we're all for that, though. I mean -­ MR. LAPIERRE: And the people that were opposed to computerizing the mental health records of people being adjudicated mentally incompetent was the White House. . We were in favor of that. MS. BRADY: I think ­ MR. DONALDSON: We're about out of time. MS. BRADY: I think we agree on the fact that a national computerized check system is the best possible method. I'm only saying we also need a waiting period. MR. DONALDSON: We're about out of time, and I just want to·ask very quickly, Britain now is moving toward banning handguns entirely from the population. Are'we headed in that direction? MR. LAPIERRE: I would hope not. I mean, the constitutional right to own a gun is one of the great privileges, one of the great freedoms, and -­ MS. BRADY: No, we're not headed there. MR. 'LAPIERRE: --it shouldn't be eliminated. MS. BRADY: No, but I think we are headed toward common sense cont,rols to keep guns out of the -­ MR. DONALDSON: All right, thank you very much, Mrs. Brady. MS. BRADY: Thank you. MR. DONALDSON: Mr. Wayne LaPierre. MR. LAPIERRE: Thank you, Sam. MR. DONALDSON: For being with us tOday. Next, the first interview with the a~thor of the Air Force report on Roswell, Jim McAndrew. (Announcements.) MR. DONALDSON: Two things of note reportedly happened in the New Mexico desert in the 1940s. The first atomic bomb was exploded there, and that was real. And a lot of people believe a spaceship with alien creatures aboard crashed there. But is that real? ". ALIEN (From film, ~~The Day the Earth Stood Still' 'J: We come to visit you in peace. MR. DONALDSON: Hollywood and the American public have ~lw~ys been fascinated by UFOs, and ground zero for 'that fascination 1S Roswell, New Mexico. In July 1947, something fell from the sky and landed in the desert north of Roswell. The nearby Air Force base reported it was a flying disk, a UFO. Hours later, they said no, it was a weather balloon. For 50 years, the controversy has raged over what really happened in the desert that, ARMS Email System Page 60f15 Page 6 of 15 . ARMS Email System night. PRESIDENT CIeINTON: (From videotape.) NO, as far as I know, an alien. spaceship did not crash in Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947. MR. DONALDSON: This week, the Pentagon tried to put the whole issue to rest, saying reports of alien bodies in the desert were actually Air Force dummies used to test parachutes. MANX: The reports of military units that always seem to arrive shortly after a crash were actually acc4rate. Descriptions of Air Force personnel engaged in the dummy recovery operations. MR. DONALDSON: But that explanation hasn't ended the controversy. MANX: They must .think we're the dummies to believe a story like that. It's probably the most preposterous of all the cover stories. MR. DONALDSON: And the town of Roswell has turned its notoriety into a $5 million cottage industry. The town boasts two UFO museums, including this recreation of a supposed al autopsy. And this weekend, tens of thousands of people are streaming into town to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the incident at Roswell. With us now is Mr. Jim McAndrew, who as an Air Force reservist, your rank as a captain, recently researched and wrote that report that Colonel Haynes relied on. Welcome. Nice to see you. MR. MCANDREW: Thank you. MR. DONALDSON: Mr. McAndrew, you say it was a weather balloon, but the first Air Force officer on the scene, who must have had some expe"rience with things like weather balloons, said, "Hey, this is a UFO. This is a flying disk. ' , MR. MCANDREW: Well, the other Air Force officer on the scene, who's still alive, said it wasn't. MR. DONALDSON: Well, 'we had a difference of opinion right there. Tell us what your theory is. What was it? MR. MCANDREW: I thirik we've had a series of 'events brought together over the years, .and now we have the large myth which has developed from it. MR. DONALDSON: It was a weather balloon. What about the ­ MR. MCANDREW: Actually, it was never a. weather 'balloon. It was a high-altitude research balloon. It was actually the very first one'ever flown in New Mexico: Since then, there's been about 2,000. And actually, ,the targeted high-altitude research balloon area is the area around Roswell, New Mexico. MR. DONALDSON: Well, you've supplied us with sort of a recreation, a video of the way you think it went'. Let's take a look at that right now. This is what, then, your theory amounts to. There's the balloon, and all right, what's that dropping'from the balloon? MR. MCANDREW: That's an anthropomorphic craSh, test dummy that were used by the.Air Force from 1953 to '1959 in New Mexico. And what I want to it back to is that when you go to the witnesses' original statements who claim they saw these things, they say they saw dummies. They never said they saw aliens. / MR. DONALDSON: George. MR. WILL: But they say they saw dummies in 1947, correct? MR. MCANDREW: No, sir. MR. WILL: No, they don't? MR. MCANDREW: No. These'stories didn't start coming really until about, oh, really, 1989, after "Unsolved Mysteries" had a 1-800 number. . MR. WILL: Now, am I correct that all of this started because Mr. and Mrs. Don Wilmott (ph) were sitting 9n their porch at 105 South Pennsylvania Avenue in Roswell 50 years ago? If they hadn't seen what they said was a disk in the sky, would none of this have happened? MR. MCANDREW: Well, that's not totally accurate. That's one theory. MR. WILL: Tell me what you think is accurate. MR. MCANDREW: The Air Force was testing, using their high-altitude balloons. They just testing ·them in New Mexico in 1947 after having gotten into a lot' of trouble in New York City and in the New Jersey area. And they moved to a desolate area to do that. And the very first research balloon landed north of Roswell. A rancher found it, didn't know what it was, and the myth has evolved from there. MR. WILL: Now, is it your contention --I mean, the Air Force was put in an awkward position of proving a negative, proving that something didn't happen. ' And so far, I'd say you haven't done it. We have lot of people who have a passion to believe Page 7 of 15 ARMS Email System Page 7 of 15 ARMS Email System Page 8 of 15 MR. MCANDREW: Have you, read my book, Mr. Will? MR. WILL: Have not. MR. MCANDREW: It'd be a good to start, MR. WILL: I'll do it. MR. MCANDREW: But what I'll just say is that because what these people have said that they've seen did not exist in 1947, so there's a problem right there. MR. WILL: What didn't exist in 1947? , MR. MCANDREW: The detailed descriptio~s of not only the dummies, but the vehicles, the procedures, the individuals, right down to the red tape that was on the collar of -­ MR. DONALDSON: But these were people later who claimed to be eyewitnesses, people who saw that there was an autopsy going on of these little men. I mean, did they make it up? MR. MCANDREW: I think that autopsy didn't come till about two years ago. MR. DONALDSON: Well, wait a moment. Hold on a moment. These people claim that they saw it back then. The fact that they didn't come forward until recently does not necessarily mean that their claim is inaccurate. MR. MCANDREW: Well, if you're talking about the mortician's'account? MR. DONALDSON: Yeah. MR. MCANDREW: Okay, there)s a hole in his story you can drive a hearse and two flower cars through. MR. DONALDSON: Well, drive it through. MR. MCANDREW: The people he describes as having been there were not there. And then some of those people are deceased, but I found one who's alive and well and living in Aztec, New Mexico. He's very upsetthat'his -" that he's being portrayed as having been involved. MS. DOUGLASS: Isn't this really a matter of the credibility of the government in continuing to try to answer the questions ab,out what happened? I mean -(inaudible)-­ MR. MCANDREW: Well -­ MS. DOUGLASS: - -version, is you have crash dummies dropping from the sky, their fingers broke off, so they only had four fingers. Plus somebody --a parachuter who was injured and his head swelled. Isn't t9is a matter that hasn't been handledespecially well by those who keep trying·to explain it? MR. MCANDREW: Let me address why the Air Force got involved. In 1994, we were directed by Congress to investigate this. And we did, and we published a·report. And subsequent to that, we found other information which described these --which would account for these alien bodies. So you're,kind of in a catch-?2. If you go forward with the information, you're on a wild goose chase and people don't like that. If you don't go forward with the information, you've got a cover-up going. So we opted for a UFO glasnost and just lay it on the table and let'people decide for theirself. MS. DOUGLASS: But you still can't answer the that was raised in "Independence Day, " and that is, what goes on in area 51', where everyone who believes in the UFOs and the aliens believes that they're, experimenting on the bodies of extraterrestrials? What ,is going on in area 51?, MR. MCANDREW: I thought it was a great movie, and I think you should try and pin the Air Force down on that. I'm ,here representing myself. MR. DONALDSON: Well, let's, look at one of the stories, which was that there was this ghastly odor, this terrible odor, which must have been the bodies in the autopsy, little men. ' MR. MCANDREW: Well, now we're getting into something that is not too pleasant and that's really not worth laughing about, is that '-­ MR. DONALDSON: Well, I'm,not laughing. I'm asking about it. MR. MCANDREW: Well, based on the rese.arch that we conducted, those were probably dead Air Force members' killed in an aircraft crash. And that's another element is that everybody takes this tongue in cheek, and rightly so, but we're talking about scientific projects being misrepresented and dead and injured Air Force people being misrepresented. It just r'eSJ,uired a response. MS. DOUGLASS: Captain, the polls show that 80 percent of Americans believe that the government knows more than it's"saying about extraterrestrials. Does the government know more than it's saying about extraterrestrials? . MR. MCANDREW: Well, I don't think they know more than I d~ because I did the research, and I'm telling you that this Roswell incident is exactly as it appears in this book. ARMS Email System Page 8 of1s ARMS Email System MR. WILL: The government usually is accused of knowing' less than it's saying. Can you tell me, after you've been through all of this' and you've dealt with the problem of trying to stamp'out what you may consider mass hysteria, what is your final analysis of the longevity of this' story and the difficulty the Air Force, has with killing it? Are these people caught up in mass delusion? MR. MCANDREW: Well, I'll just correct you. We didn't attempt to stamp anything out. We just wanted to lay the facts on the table and let people judge· for theirself. And I encourage people to get in touch with their local government printipg office or call here to Wa,shington, get a copy of the book, and judge it for theirself. MR. WILL: Well, aside from abstract intellectual interest, 'what was the supposed effect of this? What did you want to happen? MR. MCANDREW: To lay the facts on the table. MR. WILL: To what end? To kill something, right? To kill an idea? MR. MCANDREW: That's your opinion, sirI not mine.' No, we just --no, we had our scientific projects and dead and injured'being misrepresented. MR. WILL: How do you explain the fact that it takes such a thumping 9reat volume there to try and stop this belief that you think is false? MR. MCANDREW: I don't find it a thumping great volume. It's a comprehensive look at this -­ MR. DONALDSON: Mr. McAndrew" what do you make of what's going to happen in Roswell this week? Thousands are ,expected to come to that little town and I know it well, it's in my neck of the woods -to celebrate what they firmly believe is this Roswell incident. MR. MCANDREW: Well, my opinion is if you want to stand on the street corner and yell UFO, go do it,but don't indict another organization, in this case l the U.S. Air Force. It's not true. MR. DONALDSON: Not true. So all those people going there are just out there spending their money and the town's merchants are just out there taking it? MR. MCANDREW: WeIll I'll just'explain how I did the research, okay? Carl Saganl he advised in one of his books, when you have a situation like this, take out the "baloney detection kit. " And that's what we did. And what I, found that we had a kernel of truth, a lot of baloney peopled a pot of gold. (Laughter. ) , MR. DONALDSON: On that note --we can't improve on that,\Mr. MCAndrew Captain McAndrew. Thank you very much for coming today. MR. MCANDREW: Thank you. MR. DONALDSON: And later still, David Brinkley. But next our weekly roundtable, with the rest of the week's news, with ABC News Analysts Bill Kristol and George Stephanopoulos. (Announcements.) MR. DONALDSON: I said'no aliens here. Here we are. MS. DOUGLASS: How do you know? MR. DONALDSON: Well, I don't. Do you want to confess? (Laughter. ) Bill Kristol and George Stephanopoulos, let's start with the Supreme Court. A number of ,important decisions this past week. And let's begin with one ~hich struck down a law to try to reduce pornography on the Internet, particularly when it had to do with children. The Supreme Court said there'S a community interest in trying to do that l but the wider interest is preserving the First Amendment. Who wants to take this? MR. KRISTOL: L: Well, child pornography remains illegal, a'ctually. The problem the Supreme Court found with this law was that it went beyond child pornography to try to strike down indecency on the Internet. All the editorial pages love this court decision and they think it's foolish of Congress to try to worry about this. I think out there in the' 'country, lots of parents appreciate --that are worried about the Internet, don't think their children should be exposed to --not just to hardcore pornography, but even to indecency, and would like the government to help them protect their Kids from the coarseness of the culture we've created. Now, how to do that responsibly is a tough question, but I don't think this issue is going to,go away. MR. WILL: One of ,the government's argument's for sustaining this apparatus of censorship was that, indeed, putting it in place will allow parents to happily have the Internet in their households, so censorship would spread the Internet, which spreads the free discussion of ideas. The court gave that argument short shrift. ' MR. KRISTOL: As they should have, in my view. Page 9 of 15 ARMS Email System Page 9 of15 ARMS Email System • MR. WILL: The people defending this act wanted to make the Internet analogous to radio, which is regulated. But it's regulated because radio is singularly intrusive, and a child on a random course up and down the dial could on unregulated radio encounter something offensive. To encounter something offensive on the Internet, you have to look for it; you have to know what you're looking for. There may be 10,000 pornographic sites on the Internet, but oniy 3 percent of the commercial sites are ' devoted to that stuff. It's so huge, MR. DONALDSON: I know, I might as well confess ­ MR. STEPHANOPOULOUS: It's not that you can find it. You don't have to weaken the First Amendment in order to get these protections. The technology is catching up with people'S real concerns, and you can put something like a V-chip on the Internet. And I think the justices were right, therefore, to hold the line against a further weakening of the First Amendment. MS. DOUGLASS: Well, they say you can put something like 'a V-chip on the Internet, but the fact is there are a lot of flaws in the software. Every time they try to find some way to block it off, kids are a heck of a lot smarter than their computer-illiterate parents. And it really is a question. I mean, there has to be a way other than just constant monitoring of your kids, which you can't always do, as much as you try, to keep them away from this stuff. Prosecutors at the Justice Department will tell you that if you log on as a , you can in 15 minutes make contact with pedophile. MR. DONALDSON: Well, I want to hear someone really defend the First, ~endment issue here. George, you MR. STEPHANOPOULOUS: I think I just did,'Sam. ,MR. DONALDSON: You did and you did; But I mean, I want to hear a table thumping. MR. WILL: well, part of the problem, Sam, was the congressional language said, and they were drawing on Supreme Court opinion, said that they banned certain material offensive to communitY,standards. Now, what is the pertinent community in cyberspace? What is it? ,Where is it, for that matter? I mean, we're dealing with a technology here that render's obsolete the vocabulary that's been used in prior First Amendment cases. MR. DONALDSON: All right, let's go to the Religious Freedom Act, which Congress passed and which the Supreme Court says no, that's not constitutional. MR. KRISTOL: I think this was the first week in the history of the United States that the Supreme Court struck down three congressional laws in one,week, the two'we've m'entioned and the Brady bill. The first two were passed by huge majorities, the Decency Act and the Religious Freedom ~ct, signed by the president, supported by both parties. 'It is a striking week, and even though the court might have had technically pretty good arguments in each case, in the old days, the court had a great deal of deference to Congress, they tried to construe the acts to be constitutional, I do think it says something about the Supreme Court and its sense of its role that it cheerfully strikes aside these pretty major laws that Congress passed. MR. WILL: The court had a terrific argument in that it was provoked by the Congress. In 1996, when the Congress passed this act, Congress put in legislative finding, it said to the Supreme Court, in a 1990 case, you got wrong the free exercise of'religi'im clause. " Now, in 1803, the Supreme Court said, we're the ones who construe,the Constitution, we do not take this dictate from -­ MR. KRISTOL:Congress has a right to construe the Constitution as well, as does the executive branch, aright and an obligation. And what's striking in both these cases --in all three of these cases; with the Brady bill, too --is that the Congress of the United States, the president 'Of the United States, the Justice Department of the United States all thought this was constitutional, 'and the court felt MR. DONALDSON: But since Justice Marshall, the court has said, we have the final construing. MR. STEPHANOPOULOUS: That's right. What's really holding the lI)ajority in this court together is a deep suspicion of federal power., ' I mean, they really believe the federal government, whether it's Congress or the executive, is the real threat to liberty, not states' rights. And I think that's going to continue to play out in the coming decisions, whether it's on affirmative action next year, or,if you look at the assisted suicide, they pretty much upheld the bans on assisted suicide: ARMS Email System Page 10 of 15 Page 10 oft5 ARMS Email System ' W~at ar; they going to do when a state like Oregon, perhaps, legalizes assisted suicide? You're going to see a real clash of principles here. MR. DONALDSON: Before we get to that, Linda. MS. DOUGLASS: (Inaudible) --is the right of a state to make laws on assisted suicide. In other words, you can ban assisted suicide, you can pass a law to make it legal, and so what this is all about, as Bill is saying, is giving the devolving the power back down to the states in a very dramatic way. MR. DONALDSON: I want to ask you about the Religious Freedom Act. ,I mean, the name sounds ,wonderful. I mean, it also is a First Amendment 'freedom. What's wrong with the Religious Freedom Act? MS. DOUGLASS: Well, certainly there's a fascinating coalition of those who disagree with what the court says, that is, that if laws are technically neutral on religion, then they should be able to that religion should be able to flourish under those laws. You shouldn't be able to make a law that prohibits a practice in religion like the smoking of peyote by some Indian groups or the wearing of 'certain clothing by some religious groups. So in that sense, there are those who really feel that this erodes religious freedom. But obviously, the court has said here that the Congress went too far granting a religious freedom right that doesn't exist in the Constitution. MR. DONALDSON: Well, going back to assisted suicide, the court did not say that you could not practice it in states. MS. DOUGLASS: Right. MR. DONALDSON: It simply said that there is no constitutional right to have a doctor assist you in your suicide. MR. WILL: And this was a very wise flinching from making the mistake they made in Roe v. Wade, which was to put themselves on a path to saying all intimate, decisions are the exercise of choice in those matters is a fundamental constitutional right. They've stopped short of doing that now. ' , MR. DONALDSON: Anything about the court's decision to sort of punt when it came to the line-item veto? Members of Congress had applied, saying it was unconstitutional. The court said, in effect, you don't have MR. WILL: They said, look, no one's been injured by this yet; wait till the president exercises it. ' MR. STEPHANOPOULOUS: Then they'll strike it down. MR. WILL: Then they'll strike it down in a New York minute, I think. MR. KRISTOL: In the meantime, one thing people haven't noticed is that in the ,meantime, Bill Clinton has the line-item veto. And we',re about to have 13 appropriations bills and a budget by the Congress over. the next four months,with President Clinton for the first time in U.S. ' history, the having the abil to line-item veto particular appropriations. So the practical con~equences of their jurisdictional decision in refusing to decide the case could be pretty significant in this year's budget MS. DOUGLASS: But all we need is one person to say that person was injured by this act of the president executing his right. MR. DONALDSON: This dam wasn't built. MS. DOUGLASS: 'MR. DONALDSON: This flood control project was not authorized. MR. STEPHANOPOULOUS: Then we'll see another 9-0 decision. MR. DONALDSON: That's right. Well, is there anything finally to say about these justices? I MR. STEPHANOPOULOUS: I would like to add one other point. You kriow, you talked about devolution, and I think there's a very interesting study this week by a man named Ed Lazarus (ph) in --U.S: News, " who points out that a lot of this has to do with the regional bias. You now have a majority on the court which is made up of Westerners and Southerners who are very suspicious of the federal government. They're joining a majority a't every level of government. The president and vice president are Southerners, leadership in Congress from the South, and I think you're really when you look back on this time an end to the reconstruction era and a real threat, 'I think, to the federal government's ability to protect everyone'S liberties. MR. DONALDSON: Well, let's hold it right there. We'll be ,back with more, including something on ear biting. And later, David Brinkley. MR. BRINKLEY: The U.S. and all the world say they want clean air. From Japan, maybe this will heIr. Shortly. ARMS Email System Page 11 of 15 Page 11 of 15 ARMS Email System (Announcements. ) MR. DONALDSON: The Senate has now voted to increase premiums on ,Medicare for the elderly with incomes above $50,000, and to phase in a higher age, from 65 to 67 : George S., is that a good idea? Will it fly? MR. STEPHANOPOULOUS: No and MR. DONALDSON: I see. Can you elaborate? (Laughter. ) MR. STEPHANOPOULOUS: First of all, this was not part of the budget deal that the Democrats and Republicans agreed to earlier in the year. Secondly, it's going to create profound changes in the long term in the system. It's going to take away the universal character, and there's going to be a huge problem created for those people who fall in the gap between 65 and 67. How are they going to get health insurance? It affects about five million elderly Americans. MR. WILL: It's being phased in over 25 years, which means that all Americans 40 years old or younger have a quarter of a century to plan for two years' ,additional time before they're eligible for Medicare. MR. DONALDSON: Be the ant, not the grasshopper --is ,that what you're saying? MR. WILL: Yeah. Look, if ,we had in 1935 indexed Social Secu:!:-ity's retirement age to life expectancy, life expectancy today is about 72, 73, that would be the retirement age, there would be no problem with Social 'Security. ,We're just adjusting Medicare to take account of normal demographic changes. MR. DONALDSON: Linda. MS. DOUGLASS: Well; they're also talking about making changes in this which would cover that gap from 65 to 67, 'making it possible to enroll at an earlier age. And isn't ,the question that there was a certai'n amount of the question for the people in the White House who oppose this --I mean, there was courage demonstrated by many Democrats in even tackling this issue of entitlements. I mean, this is an enormous problem. You can't just' forever pander to the elderly. MR. STEPHANOPOULOUS: Well, you know, I think it's always interesting that a lot of people say that it's courage whenever you're going after those who are middle class, those who are the most vulnerable in society, people earning 20 (thousand dollars) $25,000 a year on a fixed income. There have to be changes in Medicare. This administration on this budget deal --. MR. DONALDSON: The premiums don't kick in until above $50,000. MR. STEPHANOPOULOUS: That's the premiums. That's different 'from losing your health insurance between 65 and 67. MR. DONALDSON: But that's a long-term phase in. Themost'immediate threat, I guess, if you are someone who is elderly and do'esn't want tO'pay any more, is the premium business. MR. KRISTOL: I think the significance of this politically --I'm not sure it will survive the conference committee or be signed by the president ultimately --the significance of this politically is what it says about the meaning of the 1996 election. The conventional wisdom,has been Clinton beat up the Republicans on Medicare, and the lesson they were supposed to learn was you couldn't touch it, it was the third rail of American politics. It turns out that the lesson both parti~s learned is that you --they took on Medicare very clumsily in '95, '96. They held Congress. A lot of Democrats figure they've got to take it on eventually, and there's now a pretty big bipartisan majority for doing something that a year ago looked politically undoable. MR. DONALDSON: But that's it. Haven't we all paid lip service over the years to the fact that until we get entitlements und'er control, we' 11 never get the ,long-term budget situation under control. And yet anytime whether it was Dan Rostenkowski in the '80s, who tried to make a certain segment· of elderly pay for their' own particular catastrophic care or whether it's now, anytime you say, yes, but we're going· to have to do it, the AARP jumps up and says, don't touch it. . , MR. STEPHANOPOULOUS: But Sam, no, there's --and you do ne'ed a balanced, bipartisan, long-term solution, but it is wrong and people have a right to take offense when you're making these kinds of cuts in Medicare, when you're giving huge tax cuts, up to $77,000 --' MR. DONALDSON: Well, do you think the elderly should ever pay? If the income is such that they are not people that need help, do you think they should pay for their medical care, or ,is there' ~ government entitlement which says, reach 65 or 67, wham, the kids will pay for you. Page 12 of 15 ARMS Email System Page 12 of15 ARMS Email System • MR. STEPHANOPOULOUS: The genius of both Social Security and Medicare . were that they were broad-based programs, that they were not welfare. They were universal insurance. Can the wealthy perhaps pay a little bit more in the context of an overall fix? Yes. Should you do it while you're tax cuts to the wealthy? Should'you undermine the universal program while you're doing that? No. MR. WILL: This passed, by the way, 70 to 30, with 21 Democrats voting for it. MR. DONALDSON: Let'me talk now about what the independent counsel is doing. And I'm not certain what he's doing --you can tell me: Mr. Starr, , according to the newspaper reports, and they've confirmed it to some extent, has now tried to interview some of the women allegedly who had romantic liaisons --allegedly --with Bill Clinton back when he was 30vernor. And the question is, what business it of the independent counsel's? Is he doing something legitimate? You cover, the Justice Department. MS. DOUGLASS: Well, there's certainly a difference of opinion ab9ut whether this is legitimate or not. Starr's office put. out a statement saying that, A, a lot of what ~~The Post" reported was wrong, that B, some of these that there are no notes that indicate that these questions actually were asked of the troopers; questions like, have you ever seen the perform a sex act, for example. On the other hand, there -­ MR. DONALDSON: Well, that clearly has nothing to do --1. want to be very serious about it. That'has nothing to do with the mandat~ that the court gave the independent counsel, to look into someone's sex life per se, does it? MS. DOUGLASS: Well, that's exactly the argument against what it is that Starr appears to be doing according to these accounts from the troopers, asking if the president's ever had an illegitimate child,' for example.' On the other hand, Starr's people say that 're pursuing legitimate prosecutorial techniques, looking for pillow talk, if. you will, looking for people who might have been confided, in. I guess one of the questions is why are they getting to that now? MR. STEPHANOPOULOUS:,But this isn't the only example of St~rr run amok. You know, another story that carne out this week is that they hauled in a man named Bob Hattoy (ph), an Interior. Department official who happens to be gay, and asked him if it was his job to homosexuals in the highest levels of the federal government. These guys are on a wild goose chase. Starr's gone on for three years, and he's losing credibility every week. MR. KRISTOL: Whatever the truth about Starr, the'independent counsel statute is an invitation to people to run amok. MR. STEPHANOPOULOUS: Absolutely. MR. KRISTOL: It should be --it's always been a bad idea, 'it's never produced anything good, in my view. And I think Republicans have opposed it from the beginning, and a courageous Republican should stand up on the floor of the Senate or the House when they get back next week and propose that it be repealed. MR. WILL: Yes. Lawrence Walsh has now published a 500-and-some page volume on his pursuit of the great white whale in Iran-contra. And if his case --how many millions, $40 million? --if his case didn't demonstrate the danger of a lawyer with one client, this one will perhaps. I mean, since I'm against the independent counsel in general, I'm not going to reach the threshold question of --' ,MR. DONALDSON: Well, but that was a return to the threshold question., Joe DiGenova, a ,former prosecutor in this town, says that it is common practice, the so-called pillow talk, to try to find people like that and say, ~~Now did he ever say anything about a loan that Judge Hale made?" In other words, trying to find from this intimate conversation something that has to do with the mandate. MR. KRISTOL: Well, it's common practice in with mobsters to'try to find their , you know, and see what they've said. I don't really know that it's appropriate for the president of the United S,tates. But again, you have an independent counsel with a totally open mandate and no constraints. MS. DOUGLASS: And an unlimited budget. MR. KRISTOL: Unlimited budget and no constraints on him. MR. DONALDSON: Okay. Mike Tyson\bit off a portion of Evander Holyfield's ear and therefore lost the fight. What's going ot} here, and what should happen to Mike Tyson now? ARMS Email System Page l3 of 15 Page l3 of 15 ARMS Email System Page 14 of IS • MR. WILL: Mike Tyson makes his living trying to inflict brain injuries on his opponents. " MR. DONALDSON: That's what boxing is, George. MR. WILL: I understand, that's what boxing is. I'm just reaching just trying to lay the groundwork. The predicate is this is often not a business peopled by perfect gentlemen, and we have prior evidence that Tyson is indeed not in that category. Now, he got carried away: He says he ' was provoked by something Holyfield did in the second round. MR. KRISTOL: I doubt it. MR, WILL: But let's stipulate ,he shouldn't have done 'it. MR. DONALDSON: ,Well, he shouldn't have, but what should to him? Bill? MR. KRISTOL: Someone should bite off his ear. MR. DONALDSON: An eye for an eye, an ear for an ear --that's your view? MR. KRISTOL:' Yeah, that's the conservative view, right., It goes way back, Sam. It has a very distinguished pedigree. MR. DONALDSON: George, everyone's making --take a bite out of this. (Laughter. ) MR. STEPHANOPOULOUS: I'm not even going to get near .that. MR. DONALDSON: What do you think should happen to Tyson? MR. STEPHANOPOULOUS: I really don't care, to tell you the truth, but if he doesn't get the $30 million, maybe that's,fitting. MR. DONALDSON: Well, you're going to have the last word, Linda. MS. DOUGLASS: All , the last word is we have far too much tolerance for these bad-boy athletes, like somebody like Mike Tyson, who should not be gett $30 million to get in the ring and bite 'somebody' s ear off. MR. DONALDSON: Okay. On that note, thank you very much, ,We'll resume it next Sunday, different topic. Up next, David Brinkley. (Announcements.) MR. DONALDSO~: While the worid is focusing on the political in. Hong Kong, David Brinkley has found some news from the Far East that may have a lot more , particularly for the motorists nere in the United States and everywhere else. David. MR. BRINKLEY: Sam, this week as Congress and the president argued about air pollution and the Clean Air Act, in came this news from the Orient, having nothing to do with Hong Kong or trade or dolls named Tickle Me Elmo. It's an automobile with two engines, one electric and ,one gasol When for a time and the battery needs automatically comes in and recharges it on the fly with no need to stop. The tiny number of electric cars being tested now all have to stop for two or three hours for a recharge. The Japanese maker, Toyota, says since the gasoline engine runs only part-timet it gets 66 miles to the gallon. And as the president and Congress talk about air pollution, it says the engine cuts carbon-dioxide emissions by 50 percent and other emissions by 90 percent. ,It is said meet the strict California laws. They require that exhaust-pipe emission be cut drastically and eventually all cars will have to meet 'these standards. Toyota may be the first' on the market with this, 'but Detroit's auto makers see what's coming and are all busy getting ready for it: smaller bills for gasoline and cleaner air. Progress. Sam. MR. DONALDSON: David, thanks. Next Sunday, our special guest will be Senator Fred Thompson. This will be his first live television interview since becoming chairman of the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee, which is investigating the campaign .fund-raising of both political And ABC News. will have full coverage of the hand-over of Hong Kong to China / starting tonight with "World News Tonight Sunday." And ,tomorrow" Peter Jennings anchors a edition of "Good Morning America. " And then ABC News live coverage of the hand-over continuing at 11:00 A.M. Eastern time. And that's all for us today. Cokie will be back next week,. As always, thank you for joining us, and enjoy the rest of your weekend. 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Corbet t/WHO/EOP @ EOP ,; ARMS Email System Page 15 of 15 l ' Au1{MS ~rrlaifiSystern Page 1of5 RECORD TYPE: PRESIDENTIAL (EXTERNAL MAIL) CREATOR: uucp@whitehouse.gov@INET@EOPMRX CREATION DATE/TIME: 23-SEP-1997 22:48:00.00 SUBJECT: scanner results TO: binns m@A1@CD (WHO) READ:24-SEP-1997 06:16:52.09 TO: horn s horn s@A1@CD (WHO) READ:NOT READ TEXT: SCANNER RESULTS Before I get to the theory, some explanation of the terminology I use is in order. Additionally, some historical background is helpful. Please excuse me if you already have studied this. It is important to reiterate, to fully understand why I think what I believe. When 'I use the term "UFO," it could be an interstellar spaces'hip, an "interdimensional craft, some ,sort of time MESSAGE BODY From webmaster@ufonetwork.com Tue Sep 23 22:47:24 1997 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by WhiteHouse.gov (8.7.1/uucp-relay) id WAAl1662 for <President@WhiteHouse.GO Received: from storm.eop.gov/198.137.241.51 via smap Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by STORM.EOP.GOV (PMDF V5.1-7#6879) id <01INZYQZH800005ACR@STORM.EOP.GOV> for President@WhiteHouse.GOV; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:46:50 EDT Received: from SCAN-DAEMON by STORM.EOP.GOV (PMDF V5.1-7 #6879) id <01INZYQYU6IU005G6I@STORM.EOP.GOV> for president@Whitehouse.GOV; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay:tiac.net ([199.0.65.237)) by STORM.EOP.GOV (PMDF V5.1-7 #6879) with ESMTP id <01INZYQF20ZS005193@STORM.EOP.GOV> for president@Whitehouse.GOV; Tue, 23 Sep i997 22:46:21' -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (p1.ts19.bedfo.MA.tiac.com [207.60.242:2]) by .tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP,id WAA28348 for <president@whitehouse.gov>; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:46:17 -0400 '(EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997,22:46:05 -0400 From: Claude DiDomenica <webmaster@ufonetwork.com> Subject: ROSWELL REVISITED: We Hear But Do Not Listen X-Sender: ufonet@pop.tiac.net To: president@WhiteHouse.GOV Message-id: <1.5.4.32.1~970924024605.00db6774@pop.tiac.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859,-1 Content-transfer·encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Comments: This message scann~d by SCAN version 0.1 jms/960226 Dear President-Clinton: The article below ,may be of interest to you, as you grapple=20 with how/when to deal with the beings living along side us. Perhaps all the planes crashing are being shot down, because=20 the powers that be that run the "UFO Show" won't acquiesce to=20 the demand that the government acknowfedge UFO reality. This=20 is just a theory ... :-) I would like to know your official position on this subject,=20 as I do not expect your real opinion, for "National Security','=20 reasons. Take care, ARMS Email System Page 10f5 Withdrawal/Redaction Marker Clinton Library DOCUMENT NO. 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Roswell UFO "crash" (o~ crashes), I ::ontinue to wonder, "What does this all mean?" I hope more people would be ::oncerned with motive, intent and a global or macro perspective on this enduring mystery... Below is my theory,' that the Rpswell "crash" was STAGED Jy these mysteri'ous beings. Even if the theory is wrong or partially . ::orrect·, the main point is we must start looking for meaning. It is apparent 30meone is trying to say something, and we continue to hear but not listen. 3efore I get to the theory, some explanation of the terminology I use is in Jrder. Additionally, some historical background is helpful. Please excuse me if you already have studied this. It is important to reiterate to fully .mderstand why I think what I believe. When I use the term "UFO," could Je an interstellar spaceship, an interdimensional craft, some .sort of time nachine or even a manifestation of human consciousness. When I use the word "alien," I take a similar approach. In other words, the aliens could be 3xtraterrestrials from another galaxy, interdimensional interlope~s, time craversing humans from the future, or one possible future, or even some sort Jf spiritual manifestation. A colleague suggested that when it comes to these beings. it is like choice "E" on a multiple-choice test: "ALL of the 3.bove. " ::3DCorso, and the "Crash Dummies"=:3D rhe event that sparked my final realization about what I believe Roswell, 3.nd the prior and subsequent alien involvement on Earth, was in reading "The Jay After Roswell," by Retired Lt. Colonel US ARMY Phil~p Corso. In the= book, .. :::ors,o,l11~int§tins he ,,.,as. i,ncha,rge ofd~ssel11~nati,ng. 90me..pf ,the"~rtifas::t_s.,from,, "the ..crash, .retrievalof ,a ..UFO ..from. or.. around. Roswel L,., New "Mexico. in..19.4.7...He Nas charged with the task of getting this advanced technology in the hands Jf defense contractors and universities, so they could reverse engineer and jarvest miracles like the integrated circuit, fiber optics andmore.=20 ' ~is involvement was in the early sixties, at the Pentagon, working under 3eneral Trudeau in the "Foreign Technology" section of Army Intelligence, a =onvenient cover for the real work at hand for Corso. The same week the book :iebuted: * We "crashed" our own UFO on Mars,. at least from the perspective of a Ylartian. * The US Air Force came out with the laughable "crash dummies" lie. * Corso did his first book signing at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base! * AND it was the 50th anniversary of the Roswell incident,!!! Quite a week! Obviously, the UFO matter is still highly classified, and the disinformation specialists of the Air Force had to lie. However, I. think it goes much deeper than that. Since the dummies were used 5 years after the Roswell "crash," the Air Force obviously does not want us to take them seriously, while at the same time officially maintaining the' status quo of the cover-up.. But, the cover-up seems to be unraveling, again perhaps, even by design. So, we have the loony tunes Air Force pronouncement AND Corso blowing the whistle not only about Roswell, but about the double edged nature of the "Cold War" with the Soviets. (Corso, in my opinion, is far from a classic whistle blower, because he has tacit approval from the powers that be.) It app~ars to me some facet of the cover-up is floating a trial balloon here: Do you think Corso would be allowed to do a book signing at an Air Force base if they wanted to silence or discredit him? Stay tuned folks, ARMS Email System Page 2 of5 ARMS E:rrfai;'Syst'em since it looks like a major change is occurring in the way the aliens. are being handled. But beware! The same folks that lied to us for capable of putting wha:tever spin they want on this. I am that the aliens are demon~, and ~hey ~re hostile, etc. I do not agree. We must be vigilant against ai, possible new "Evil " the 910bal military-industrial complex and intellegencia so,loves to cook up for~ us. =3DAncient Astronauts and Phantom Dirigibles:3D I. have thought for some time the one reality of the "aliens" is their impact. Whether or not they exist, their impact is REAL. Therefore, they'are real. There is a MESSAGE from this. I think it. is "unite or ." Some would 'argue I am yet another victim of some form of brainwashing by evil aliens, making me think they are here to "help humankind", while at the same time secretly planning the ultimate demise of humanity. As far as concerned, I'll stick with my assumption that at a minimum, the have a deep, vested int'erest in us. Perhaps we are their children, left here on Earth 50,000 years ago ... Maybe we are a genetically re-engineered native species ... They even be OUR children, from the future. '.. ;Or it just. may be a spiritual connection .. , ...or we are in their "laboratory", for study, like guinea Throughout our 'history, there appears to be a presence, along side us. "We have all seen the strange cave paintings of beings in what look like space helmets ... The Naszca lines in Peru, which can only be seen from the air.. , Elves, gnomes and which in many cases are.similar to reports ofI aliens today ... "Flying Chariots" ... etc ... Things get real in the late 1890's, when there was an "airship'" flap that gripped North America. These sightings included contact with "people." If you look at the technology used by the aliens on a timel:ine, you will see they always see'm to be one step ahead of what our minds (at the time) could be comfortable understandin:g. Airships ,in the 1890's, just prior to there actual use b'y humans .. ,. "Space ships" in the late 40' s, prior to our own development of space travel. Now,' they 'fly around in delta shaped mile-wide craft, etc. Could it ~lso be that our perception of the aliens has been a step behind as well? the Airship flap, the aliens were looked upon as people, like they were in the navy or something. Now, we are seeing humanoid types and others ... Perhaps in a hundred years, they will appear only in spiritual form, once we go through the. PRESENT PHASE. Yes, since the involvement with the aliens has been for so long, and they appear to c~ange based on our level of , I have concluded further change in our view of them and their technology is very likely. =3DWeapons'of Mass Destruction, the "Crash" and the Common Foe=3D To understand what follows, I have made the assumption the Roswell "crash," as it is most commonly was a rea~ event. I am more than satisfied that if the events of 1947 in New Mexico went to trial, the government would be convicted of a cover-up. Also, this is a theory, full of .holes, As I said, the main point here is to get others to start thinking' about the "big picture." I really think this is the only way we will ever get close to understanding. . . It is now 1914. "The War to End All Wars", World War I,. has brought humanity to a new low. Now, we deploy machine guns, chemical weapons, tanks, larger-than-ever artillery, stealthy submarines and more. To an observer sans human, it would seem we were in the beginning sta:ges o~ what could potentially be what Star Trek referred to as the "self-destructive phase." It doesn't take the proverbial rocket scientist to realize we STILL.are in this' awful stage of our development or lack thereof. Hopefully, people of vision will take control of Mother Earth before it is too late... At that time we did not have the technology to cause our own extinction, and our vested interest alien counterparts did not or could not, (for whatever reason) intervene. Perhaps some sort of "Prime Directive", ala RodenberTy. :) The Prime Directive was about to be violated or we triggered an exception ·clause. Basically, t~ese beings have the ability to either see ahead or through ARMS Email System Page 3 of5 Page 3 of5 ARMS l;.n1arl'Sysfem technology, jump ahead in time. They saw the Armageddon of thermonuclear war in our future. One of many possible futures, perhaps. Maybe they are the survivors of this nuclear war. Actually, common sense would tell them, based on the horrors of the two World Wars that extinction was likely, now that we had the '''bomb.'' Keep in mlnd, the "Airship" flap of the late nineteenth century was generally benign in nature. Says a lot to me ... Now it is 1947. The United States and Soviets have atomic weapons, and are about ,to develop thermonuclear weapons, which make the Trinity bomb look ,like a firecracker. Seeing the eminent self-annihilation of humanity', something had to be done, and it could not be an overt landing and contact. In 1947, it would have ripped the planet apart, as our version of reality ,was not ready for open and unambiguous contact with an advanced civilization. I laugh every time I see the movie, "The Day The Earth Stood Still" with Gort guarding C~ahtu' s ship in the middle of DC. ':) So, the most incredible plan was concocted .... Sheer genius! They made themselves a "threat", by surveilling us near our MOST secret air base, ROSWELL, New Mexico. Roswell was the home of the only strike force the Army-Air Force had at the time. The crash was staged so we would think we could create the technology to "fight" these beings, who are really flying around in their "Model T Ford," when in the garage, they have a '97 Ferrari. :) Anyway, Corso validates part of this by his connection between the "Cold War" and the REAL agenda of the military: To prepare for and defend for an "alien invasion." I do understand it was Corso's job to be paranoid and prepare for worse case scenarios. 1947 was the beginning of the "invasion." This was the same year the Air Force branched off on its own, and the CIA was formed. Interesting ... If we take the 1947 "invasion" and the subsequent DC of 1952, etc., it is -easy to see they would have been perceived as a t;hreat. If I we:re alive at the time, I would have thought we were being primed for an' attack. But now, 50 years later, I find this highly unlikely and hard to swallow. On this , I feel Corso wa's WAY OFF. He still maintains they are a threat. =20 There are many unanswered questions: like who/what is behind the cattle mutilations, crop circles, etc.? But I really think Corso has given,us vital clues as to the last 50 years, way behind-the-scenes collaboration between the US and Soviets, and the potential that this was caused by the aliens giving us a common enemy to defend against. I'll mention a very interesting clue ... President Reagan's SDI (Strategic Defense Initiative) aka "Star Wars." This was the anti-ballistic missile "umbrella" that would shoot down, missiles fr9m space, and if that failed, blast the incoming warheads with lazer or particle beam weapons. This CLEARLY violated the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty with the Soviets ... We never even he,ard the sound of a pin dro~ping out of the Kremlin! Another interesting facet is the Internet was created as a DIRECT RESULT of having to re-engineer and harvest the "alien" technology. The precursor to the Net was ARPANET, for ARPA (Advanced Research projects Agency) to 'communicate and securely with the researchers and defense industry subcontractors. Funny thing is the Internet, created by the secret keepers, is the primary medium by which we are letting the cat out of the proverbial bag. :-) Poetic justice???? Or by design????=20 It appears the secret keepers are in the dark themselves. 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